Help 113 install question on an 85
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Racer
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From: Gansevoort NY
Help 113 install question on an 85
Ok I have prep everything and I am ready to put the heads on. Problem is one of the heads has an alignment pin in it and the hole it matches up to on the block also has a pin in it. I looked at the other 113 head and it doesnt have any pins in it. What's wrong? How do I get around this?
Melting Slicks
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From: Howard PA
Ran into the exact same problem a few months ago. In a pinch (and this is some real backyard engineering) I took an old pushrod, put it in a vise lengthwise and cut a slit in it, faily long, I needed two pins.
Then I cut two sections out about the right length. Rounded the edges with a grinder and tapped them in the block. They worked like a roll pin better than stock I thought because they had some spring fit, not just a slip fit.
Are you sure the alignment pins aren't stuck in the block already, dumb question I know.
Edit: re-read your post, you need one pin at each corner. Pull the ones that are doubled up and use them on the other side.
Then I cut two sections out about the right length. Rounded the edges with a grinder and tapped them in the block. They worked like a roll pin better than stock I thought because they had some spring fit, not just a slip fit.
Are you sure the alignment pins aren't stuck in the block already, dumb question I know.
Edit: re-read your post, you need one pin at each corner. Pull the ones that are doubled up and use them on the other side.
Last edited by ALLT4; Jul 3, 2006 at 04:35 PM.
Le Mans Master
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The locating Dowel Pins - if that's what you're talking about - go in the block and then the head gasket is centered over them and the head plops on top of that. They do sometimes pull out with the head when you remove the heads, but they belong in the block for installation. You can pick them up anywhere for about 50 cents a pop.
Melting Slicks
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From: Howard PA
I have some other dumb questions. Are these new, used, or your old heads. Why won't they just go back on respective to the way you took them off.
In any case the dowel pins can be a bitch' to get out. Normally I'll use some large side cutters to get a grip, laying the curved part of the cutters on the flat (head or deck depending on what I'm trying to accomplish) then grab the dam thing with a much strength as I can muster and push down thereby creating a lever with the side cutters to pull it up. Hard to explain and it takes the right kind of side cutters.
If that dosen't work you can try to make some shallow slots in them on the sides so your cutters have a better grip. Then try again. You almost need a cutoff wheel on a grinder though as those pins are hard.
Something like these...
Yeah, all four belong in the block so take them out of the heads.
In any case the dowel pins can be a bitch' to get out. Normally I'll use some large side cutters to get a grip, laying the curved part of the cutters on the flat (head or deck depending on what I'm trying to accomplish) then grab the dam thing with a much strength as I can muster and push down thereby creating a lever with the side cutters to pull it up. Hard to explain and it takes the right kind of side cutters.
If that dosen't work you can try to make some shallow slots in them on the sides so your cutters have a better grip. Then try again. You almost need a cutoff wheel on a grinder though as those pins are hard.
Something like these...
Yeah, all four belong in the block so take them out of the heads.
Last edited by ALLT4; Jul 3, 2006 at 06:26 PM.
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Racer
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From: Gansevoort NY
These heads 113's came from a different engine. All my alignment pins are still in the block.But one of the 113's has a pin in it. I guess I'll use a cut off wheel and clean the hole with a carbide bit. I understand your cutter explaination but I have tired everything short of my cut off.
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Racer
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From: Gansevoort NY
Originally Posted by ALLT4
I have some other dumb questions. Are these new, used, or your old heads. Why won't they just go back on respective to the way you took them off.
In any case the dowel pins can be a bitch' to get out. Normally I'll use some large side cutters to get a grip, laying the curved part of the cutters on the flat (head or deck depending on what I'm trying to accomplish) then grab the dam thing with a much strength as I can muster and push down thereby creating a lever with the side cutters to pull it up. Hard to explain and it takes the right kind of side cutters.
If that dosen't work you can try to make some shallow slots in them on the sides so your cutters have a better grip. Then try again. You almost need a cutoff wheel on a grinder though as those pins are hard.
Something like these...
Yeah, all four belong in the block so take them out of the heads.
In any case the dowel pins can be a bitch' to get out. Normally I'll use some large side cutters to get a grip, laying the curved part of the cutters on the flat (head or deck depending on what I'm trying to accomplish) then grab the dam thing with a much strength as I can muster and push down thereby creating a lever with the side cutters to pull it up. Hard to explain and it takes the right kind of side cutters.
If that dosen't work you can try to make some shallow slots in them on the sides so your cutters have a better grip. Then try again. You almost need a cutoff wheel on a grinder though as those pins are hard.
Something like these...
Yeah, all four belong in the block so take them out of the heads.
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