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Old Aug 4, 2006 | 03:25 AM
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It's not bad.

Some of the diagnostic tests call for running the motor with the jumper in place to observe the car going into closed loop. I think the flashing slows down when it reaches closed loop.
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Old Aug 4, 2006 | 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by CFI-EFI
I agree, but...see post #12. Colder engines need a faster idle and a richer mixture than a warm engine. The ultra slow minimum air idle speed will be more stable in a warm engine and with a mixture suited to that warmer temperature.

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Yeah mate that was the only possible argument i could see for the warm engine too. I cant see the difference being all that large in terms of screw position between hot and cold.
Originally Posted by ozvette87
most things i read with instructions on linking a' b' terminals on the aldl say Not to start the engine. i have personally seen it started with the terminals linked and all that seems to happen is the ses flashes really fast.
why is it so bad to start the car with the two terminals linked?
As Coaster says there is nothing bad about starting with the A & B jumped, id say the reason it is stated most of the time to turn the key on but NOT to start the engine is probably due to the results and function youre after.
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Old Aug 4, 2006 | 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Casethecorvetteman
How so? The computer aims for a certain RPM and sets the IAC for that, not aims for a certain IAC position. It made no difference for me(ever).......So i really don't see how doing it hot or cold can make the idle speed setting in the computer change
True, when under control of the ECM there is a "target" RPM for temp., likewise there is a desired IAC vs rpm etc. that is also programmable. The idle setting in the ECM will not change.
However, with the motor being *cold (see below) it may require the T. blade to be opened more to sustain, or to idle @450, as opposed to a motor already being warmed up at least. Then with the IAC plugged in, and under ECM control, because the min. air screw being turned in possibly too much to compensate the cold motor, it would then be possible to be out of range for the ECM to adjust.
The IAC does have a decent amount of "range" that it can compensate when under computer control and really only needs to get close. Obviously this would all then depend on: how cold is cold, and how much someone was twisting the screw to get it to idle @450rpm. I guess cold is relevant to where you live and a given day.
My Idea of a *cold setting, would be trying to set the min. air when the coolant/ambient temps. would be 50ish. Fahrenheit. Personally I have never tried to set set it up cold. I do it so I know where the counts are at O.T. If you are getting good results doing it that way, the result is all that matters.

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Old Aug 4, 2006 | 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by ozvette87
most things i read with instructions on linking a' b' terminals on the aldl say Not to start the engine. i have personally seen it started with the terminals linked and all that seems to happen is the ses flashes really fast.
why is it so bad to start the car with the two terminals linked?
It is not BAD to start the engine with terminals "A" and "B" jumped together. With the terminals jumped and the engine running, the ECM is in the "field service mode". But why would one consider using the field service mode for setting the minimum air adjustment, when it isn't called for in the instructions? Has someone discovered some undocumented benefit of setting the minimum air while in the field service mode?

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Old Aug 4, 2006 | 11:08 AM
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Ive just tried to reset the idle on my 1987 after fitting a new IAC valve. I followed the procedure as above, and when i connected things back up, the car was idling at 1400 rpm! So i just turned the screw down again, which defies the point of resetting it to the book really. Should i have left it at 1400 rpm and taken it for a drive to let it "settle"?
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Old Aug 4, 2006 | 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by mseven
My Idea of a *cold setting, would be trying to set the min. air when the coolant/ambient temps. would be 50ish. Fahrenheit. Personally I have never tried to set set it up cold. I do it so I know where the counts are at O.T. If you are getting good results doing it that way, the result is all that matters.
Yeah see this is where i couldnt see a point to it, now you mension 50*F i can see how it could be abit of a change. That is 10*C which is bloody cold and although im not in Western Australia, i know it doesnt get that cold here during the day here where i am on the east coast!! (its still winter here and we are getting around 70-75*F easy where i am on a cold day)
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Ive just tried to reset the idle on my 1987 after fitting a new IAC valve. I followed the procedure as above, and when i connected things back up, the car was idling at 1400 rpm! So i just turned the screw down again, which defies the point of resetting it to the book really. Should i have left it at 1400 rpm and taken it for a drive to let it "settle"?
Thats interesting!! Did you adjust or check the TPS? Im not too familiar with replacing the IAC in an earlier car, but do you have to set the new one to a certain length before putting it in?? Was the tip shape identical to the old one it replaced?
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Old Aug 4, 2006 | 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by cymro
Ive just tried to reset the idle on my 1987 after fitting a new IAC valve. I followed the procedure as above, and when i connected things back up, the car was idling at 1400 rpm! So i just turned the screw down again, which defies the point of resetting it to the book really. Should i have left it at 1400 rpm and taken it for a drive to let it "settle"?
YES. Or reaclimate it as outlined in your FSM. You don't just "reset the idle". The idle speed is burned into your prom. The proceedure above is for setting the minimum air adjustment. Did "i just turned the screw down again" reduce the idle speed? It shouldn't have. Turning the screw down (in) could increase the idle speed, but not lower it.

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Old Aug 4, 2006 | 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by CFI-EFI
YES. Or reaclimate it as outlined in your FSM. You don't just "reset the idle". The idle speed is burned into your prom. The proceedure above is for setting the minimum air adjustment. Did "i just turned the screw down again" reduce the idle speed? It shouldn't have. Turning the screw down (in) could increase the idle speed, but not lower it.

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I think he means turn it out as in close the blades.
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Old Aug 4, 2006 | 01:54 PM
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I would have thought so too, but that isn't what he said. Besides backing off of the minimum air adjustment screw, shouldn't lower the idle speed with the IAC wide open. "You don't just "reset the idle". The idle speed is burned into your prom."

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Old Aug 4, 2006 | 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by CFI-EFI
I would have thought so too, but that isn't what he said. Besides backing off of the minimum air adjustment screw, shouldn't lower the idle speed with the IAC wide open. "You don't just "reset the idle". The idle speed is burned into your prom."

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Yeah mate thats right and , something else is not done right there.
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Old Aug 4, 2006 | 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by CFI-EFI
"You don't just "reset the idle". The idle speed is burned into your prom."RACE ON!!!
OMG, this just makes me wonder if anyone bothers to read ALL of the posts...................
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Old Aug 4, 2006 | 07:06 PM
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"7. Start the engine and adjust the minimum air to the specified (desired) rpm."

550 is the right RPM? I went out and tried this on mine just now. My car idles fine, 600 RPM in drive. I turned the screw as far as it would go and it would not go under 1200 RPM. Odd.
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Old Aug 4, 2006 | 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by mseven
OMG, this just makes me wonder if anyone bothers to read ALL of the posts...................
Me too. You DO realize what you quoted me as saying in post# 27, was in response to cymro's post# 25. You DID read ALL the posts, right?

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Old Aug 4, 2006 | 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by CFI-EFI
Me too. You DO realize what you quoted me as saying in post# 27, was in response to cymro's post# 25. You DID read ALL the posts, right?RACE ON!!!
OF Course........

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