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Old Aug 19, 2006 | 08:55 AM
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Recently, the infamous 'clunk' had returned for the umteenth time. I've replaced the U-joints w/ Spicers in the last couple of years, all poly bushings in the rear, C-beam tight, etc., etc...... Checked the straps and one of them on the drive shaft appeared to have been allowing a cap to turn. Tightened it up but it just didn't 'feel' right. Still had the clunk. Picked up a new set of straps and bolts at NAPA and installed a couple of days later. It seems to have cured the noise again for now. The halfshaft straps seemed to be holding well so I didn't fool with them for now. I'll replace them though, just as a matter of course the next time I have them unbolted for any reason. I believe I'd recommend just going ahead and changing them when you replace your joints. Only a few more bucks and one less thing to worry about. BTW, the strap and bolt kit I got from NAPA was made by Spicer.
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Old Aug 19, 2006 | 01:50 PM
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I have to respectfully disagree. The only job of the strap is to retain the cap of the u joint fully into the yoke so the rotating force of the yoke will be transmitted efficiently to the joint. If you have to increase the pressure between the cap and the yoke to keep the cap from turning in the yoke, then you have WAAAY too much friction between the u joint spider, via the needle bearings and the cap. In other words, the cap should rotate, MUCH more easily on it's bearings, than it does in the cap, regardless of the straps. If the bearings are bad enough to twist the cap in the yoke, the straps are the least of your problems. I hope this helps.

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My car has had 3 failures of the LR outer,
I can tell when its going by the clunk behind my seat,

Any body else had real time experience with this?
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I have to respectfully disagree. The only job of the strap is to retain the cap of the u joint fully into the yoke so the rotating force of the yoke will be transmitted efficiently to the joint. If you have to increase the pressure between the cap and the yoke to keep the cap from turning in the yoke, then you have WAAAY too much friction between the u joint spider, via the needle bearings and the cap. In other words, the cap should rotate, MUCH more easily on it's bearings, than it does in the cap, regardless of the straps. If the bearings are bad enough to twist the cap in the yoke, the straps are the least of your problems. I hope this helps.

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Au contraire my friend! What you say would indeed seem to make sense, but I replace straps fairly frequently at work (on trucks) because you can see evidence of the cap having rotated. But the U-joint is still fine. This one I could actually see did not appear to be snug against the cap on one side, even after snugging the bolts. In other words, it had stretched. The new ones fit better and felt 'normal' when tightening.
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I agree that the OD of the cap has to remain in contact with the ID (curvature of the yoke). That is what I was referring to when I mentioned the transference of the driving forces, but there is no great force required to keep the cap, firmly in place in the yoke. That is why they use tin straps and 5/16" bolts. In your case where you saw the air gap, I have to wonder why the straps bent or stretched. I wouldn't be surprised, if upon closer inspection, you didn't find damage to the half round bore of the yoke, that allowed, even facilitated, the cap to move (laterally, not rotate) in the bore, bending or stretching the straps. If the yoke is damaged, it is probably because, in the past, a cap from a near failed u joint was allow to turn in the yoke.

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hope it gets fixed for good this time
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I agree that the OD of the cap has to remain in contact with the ID (curvature of the yoke). That is what I was referring to when I mentioned the transference of the driving forces, but there is no great force required to keep the cap, firmly in place in the yoke. That is why they use tin straps and 5/16" bolts. In your case where you saw the air gap, I have to wonder why the straps bent or stretched. I wouldn't be surprised, if upon closer inspection, you didn't find damage to the half round bore of the yoke, that allowed, even facilitated, the cap to move (laterally, not rotate) in the bore, bending or stretching the straps. If the yoke is damaged, it is probably because, in the past, a cap from a near failed u joint was allow to turn in the yoke.

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Anything's possible I suppose. It's an '85 D44 assembly and I certainly don't know it's whole history. But it looked pretty good inside and out before installation. I also cleaned it all, polished the aluminum and painted the yokes. I hope to install a beefed posi unit one of these days soon, at which time I'll likely just do bearings and all. I'll certainly inspect that input yoke well.
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hope it gets fixed for good this time
The 'clunk' is never fixed for good. Just for a while until something else loosens up!
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