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Old Apr 9, 2007 | 03:30 AM
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After searching through the numerous injector threads, I'm leaning toward the Ford injectors. However, I can't find a 22.5# injector offering. Should I round up to 23# (FMS-M-9593-M23)? If so, Is it worth the extra ~$75 for a "balanced" set (all 8 to within 1% vs the std. 7%)? Will running the 23# require modifications? I have a rich AFR issue (already had to replace all the cats) and found 5 of 8 injectors to fail the ohm test. Also, do the Ford injectors tick louder as a rule?
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Old Apr 9, 2007 | 11:25 AM
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I changed my 22.5 injectors and replaced them with 24 lb Accel. I can't recommend the Accels. I suggest the 24lb. Ford and pay the extra $75.00 for the exact flow injectors. I have not heard any complaints about them being loud or ticking. I would install an Adjustable fuel pressure regulator at the same time. You may need to reprogram your chip also.
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Old Apr 9, 2007 | 12:19 PM
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You can go with the 24lb & flow matched, get AFR to ensure correct fuel pressure, my fords seem louder (tick), but with the hood down you really can't tell. There is no need to have a custom chip done until you have mods done.
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Originally Posted by vinnies87
You can go with the 24lb & flow matched, get AFR to ensure correct fuel pressure, my fords seem louder (tick), but with the hood down you really can't tell. There is no need to have a custom chip done until you have mods done.
His is a 90 with the SD set-up so it might need a custom chip with the 24 lb FMS injectors. SD cars seem less adaptible to change as compared to MAF cars. I know I needed a custom chip after going to these injectors on my 91.
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Originally Posted by TA
His is a 90 with the SD set-up so it might need a custom chip with the 24 lb FMS injectors. SD cars seem less adaptible to change as compared to MAF cars. I know I needed a custom chip after going to these injectors on my 91.
Nuts! I'm trying to hold back on mods until I fix my over heating cat issue. Are the 23# injectors within the range that my car can compensate for?
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Old Apr 9, 2007 | 05:54 PM
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Check out the latest technology in fuel injectors for your L98 Corvette.

Click this link to read about the new
Bosch XF2E-22.5
injector set.
Bosch HIGH PERFORMANCE: CORVETTE 1985-91 Bosch XF2E-22.5

http://www.fiveomotorsport.com/

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Originally Posted by TA
His is a 90 with the SD set-up so it might need a custom chip with the 24 lb FMS injectors. SD cars seem less adaptible to change as compared to MAF cars. I know I needed a custom chip after going to these injectors on my 91.
could he not use the #24 with a afpr and lower the pressure down to where they would flow 22lbs/hr ?
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Old Apr 9, 2007 | 08:50 PM
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could he not use the #24 with a afpr and lower the pressure down to where they would flow 22lbs/hr ?
That is the whole principle of the AFPR, and the reason for no custom chip...
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Originally Posted by JIMBO7
Check out the latest technology in fuel injectors for your L98 Corvette.

Click this link to read about the new
Bosch XF2E-22.5
injector set.
Bosch HIGH PERFORMANCE: CORVETTE 1985-91 Bosch XF2E-22.5
Link no work. I'll google 'em.
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Originally Posted by vinnies87
That is the whole principle of the AFPR, and the reason for no custom chip...
How do I figure out the pressure needed to compensate for the higher flow injectors? Or will this turn into a trial and error exercise?
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Old Apr 10, 2007 | 02:00 AM
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If you can find 22 lb/hr injectors instead of 22.5 lb/hr ones, just run the former and bump fuel pressure 1psi over the stock value.
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Old Apr 10, 2007 | 02:28 AM
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Originally Posted by BrassRing
After searching through the numerous injector threads, I'm leaning toward the Ford injectors. However, I can't find a 22.5# injector offering. Should I round up to 23# (FMS-M-9593-M23)? If so, Is it worth the extra ~$75 for a "balanced" set (all 8 to within 1% vs the std. 7%)? Will running the 23# require modifications? I have a rich AFR issue (already had to replace all the cats) and found 5 of 8 injectors to fail the ohm test. Also, do the Ford injectors tick louder as a rule?

22# or 23# would cause your BLMS to raise or drop by 2%. This is well within the range of the computer's ability to adapt.

SD or MAF works exactly the same - the MAP and MAF sensors have zero to do with adapting fuel injector size.
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Old Apr 10, 2007 | 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Vis Croceus
22# or 23# would cause your BLMS to raise or drop by 2%. This is well within the range of the computer's ability to adapt.
The thing to remember is that FORD rates their injectors at a different pressure than GM does.

a 24# GM injector is not the same as a 24# Ford injector. Fords are rated at 36.5psi and GM is rated at 41psi. So, a 24# Ford injector at 41psi is more like a 26.95# injector.



Originally Posted by jeffyc
could he not use the #24 with a afpr and lower the pressure down to where they would flow 22lbs/hr ?
I can only speak of experience with my car. When I added the Ford 24 lb injectors and an AFPR, no amount of playing with the FP would keep the car from running rich.
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Old Apr 10, 2007 | 08:42 AM
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With my MAP, sd car, when first tuning and if pig rich no adjust in psi will comp. it enough. To a degree, I could comp. it w/pressure adjust (with tune close and within a couple blm, fine tune). Something else I found was the time it takes the ecm "trying" to comp. it to 128, if the tune is not close to begin with you may be waiting.
However, dropping the pressure can possibly effect it globally and adjusting the psi. too low (for compensating being that much richer) can also change the spray pattern/atomization, this is why I'm not a fan of this method. I would want to know where the starting place is regarding the tune/BLM , and if going with a 24# I would rather re-work the tune, or in this case just start with a 22# injector.
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How about the FMS "pink tops"

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Old Apr 10, 2007 | 10:56 AM
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Go to Five O's website. They list a Ford /Bosch injector set that is a direct replacement for the 85-91 Corvette tpi injectors. Here's a copy of the description:

Bosch/Ford
1985-91 Corvette
1985-92 Camaro 350
New - Flow Matched Set
$308.50/8 Set

SPECIAL NOTE: These Bosch/Ford injector sets are spec-stock for the 1996-02 Mustang 4.6 2-valve modular engine.
They have been carefully cross-referenced to match your orignial injector specs for flow and electrical resistance.
Sold with our best
3-Year/unlimited miles warranty.
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Originally Posted by BrassRing
How do I figure out the pressure needed to compensate for the higher flow injectors? Or will this turn into a trial and error exercise?
...this should get you in the ballpark -

http://www.witchhunter.com/injectorcalc1.php4

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Originally Posted by GKK
Go to Five O's website. They list a Ford /Bosch injector set that is a direct replacement for the 85-91 Corvette tpi injectors. Here's a copy of the description:

Bosch/Ford
1985-91 Corvette
1985-92 Camaro 350
New - Flow Matched Set
$308.50/8 Set

SPECIAL NOTE: These Bosch/Ford injector sets are spec-stock for the 1996-02 Mustang 4.6 2-valve modular engine.
They have been carefully cross-referenced to match your orignial injector specs for flow and electrical resistance.
Sold with our best
3-Year/unlimited miles warranty.
Too many have had problems with the Fiveo injectors. Do a search on them before you use them. Eveyone says he advertises new injectors and sends you used crap.

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I installed a set of FMS 19# injectors in my 91 with a AFPR set it at 60#and it runs great,and yes the FMS injectors are a little louder but when you close the hood you never notice
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Old Apr 11, 2007 | 10:59 AM
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You guys are giving me more to think about!
BLMS = Block Learn...? -- Computers longer term way of adjusting A/F ratio?
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Originally Posted by Kool88vette
Too many have had problems with the Fiveo injectors. Do a search on them before you use them. Eveyone says he advertises new injectors and sends you used crap.

Kool: Got mine from 5-O and they were new and i had no problems, and excellent customer service during the install (mainly about the rail clips - which are NOT installed, but no problems... so dont know about after that, if its true thats too bad to hear.
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