C4 Tech/Performance L98 Corvette and LT1 Corvette Technical Info, Internal Engine, External Engine

header wrap......yes or no!?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jun 1, 2007 | 08:50 PM
  #1  
CAPTAIN COMMANDO's Avatar
CAPTAIN COMMANDO
Thread Starter
Advanced
 
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 68
Likes: 0
From: Smog Central CA
Default header wrap......yes or no!?

Is it really a good addition to stop under hood heat? Will it also quiet the motor down at idle being a bit wrapped up? Curious to know since the 84-91 vettes has tubular manifolds which whill produce more noise somewhat than cast iron. Can the header wrap keep the temps down under the hood and keep noise down at the same time?

Is there any "must do's" when doing this or is it pretty straight forward,easy to do?

Thanks
Reply
Old Jun 1, 2007 | 09:08 PM
  #2  
Aardwolf's Avatar
Aardwolf
Race Director
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 13,960
Likes: 707
From: WI
Default

The wrap that I have seen is pretty expensive. I would just have them Swain tech. coated. Jet Hot type coatings might be cheaper, there are usually local shops that coat to. You could save on shipping, offset some by tax.
Reply
Old Jun 1, 2007 | 09:31 PM
  #3  
N.C. Kid's Avatar
N.C. Kid
Burning Brakes
 
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 754
Likes: 0
From: North Carolina
Default

Expensive for what it is. Plus it will gather moisture and I dont think it does what it claims to do. If you have actual headers, like mentioned, you can send them to jet hot. That DOES help the temperatures. And it last unlike the wrap which will wear out.
Reply
Old Jun 1, 2007 | 10:04 PM
  #4  
85vet's Avatar
85vet
Melting Slicks
25 Year Member
Conversation Starter
All Eyes On Me
 
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 3,426
Likes: 4
From: Heidelberg PA
Cruise-In V Veteran
Default

Simply no.
It voids any warranty the headers have. Have them coated!!
Reply
Old Jun 1, 2007 | 10:18 PM
  #5  
TheCorvetteKid's Avatar
TheCorvetteKid
Drifting
20 Year Member
 
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 1,581
Likes: 2
From: The Motor City
Default

From personal experience, I would suggest against the header wrap. Contrary to what N.C. Kid has mentioned, the header wrap actually does it's job very, very well. Unfortuantely, it does so a little TOO well.

I had installed a tubular steel header on my brother's old Honda Civic CRX Si a few years back. Because the header was just mild steel (like the stock exhaust on the L98) I decided to use header wrap instead of getting the header coated. At first, the results were very impressive. The header wrap did an excellent job of containing the heat and underhood temperatures dropped dramatically! In fact, you could run the car all day long and actually TOUCH the header immediately after shutting the engine down - it did THAT good a job!!!

As time went on, however, this proved to be it's downfall. The header tape contained the heat so well that it actually caused the header to crack! And because the header was wrapped, my brother didn't realize it until weeks (or maybe even months) after it happened. I ended up reinstalling the CRX's stock manifold after that.

So the moral of the story, if the headers you are wrapping are just mild steel (like the stockers), chances are good that they will end up cracking, so don't bother - you're better off getting them coated. If the headers you are wrapping are already coated and you're looking to augment the coating, then go ahead and wrap 'em.

Oh, and I should also mention, header wrap isn't exactly the prettiest thing you've ever seen (in fact, it's pretty down-right ugly IMHO), and it will have no effect on muffling any exhaust noise coming from the engine.

Hope that helps.
Reply
Old Jun 1, 2007 | 10:55 PM
  #6  
LouisvilleLT4's Avatar
LouisvilleLT4
Drifting
15 Year Member
 
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 1,326
Likes: 18
From: Los Angeles California
Default

Originally Posted by TheCorvetteKid
From personal experience, I would suggest against the header wrap. Contrary to what N.C. Kid has mentioned, the header wrap actually does it's job very, very well. Unfortuantely, it does so a little TOO well.

I had installed a tubular steel header on my brother's old Honda Civic CRX Si a few years back. Because the header was just mild steel (like the stock exhaust on the L98) I decided to use header wrap instead of getting the header coated. At first, the results were very impressive. The header wrap did an excellent job of containing the heat and underhood temperatures dropped dramatically! In fact, you could run the car all day long and actually TOUCH the header immediately after shutting the engine down - it did THAT good a job!!!

As time went on, however, this proved to be it's downfall. The header tape contained the heat so well that it actually caused the header to crack! And because the header was wrapped, my brother didn't realize it until weeks (or maybe even months) after it happened. I ended up reinstalling the CRX's stock manifold after that.

So the moral of the story, if the headers you are wrapping are just mild steel (like the stockers), chances are good that they will end up cracking, so don't bother - you're better off getting them coated. If the headers you are wrapping are already coated and you're looking to augment the coating, then go ahead and wrap 'em.

Oh, and I should also mention, header wrap isn't exactly the prettiest thing you've ever seen (in fact, it's pretty down-right ugly IMHO), and it will have no effect on muffling any exhaust noise coming from the engine.

Hope that helps.
I'm considering wrapping my headers but not to the extent that they'll warp and break. How thick was the wrapping job on that CRX to have that effect? I wonder if it had been wrapped a little more conservatively if the headers could have survived. Are there varying degrees of wrapping up a header or can you pretty much only do it one way?
Reply
Old Jun 1, 2007 | 11:17 PM
  #7  
LD85's Avatar
LD85
Race Director
25 Year Member
 
Joined: Feb 1999
Posts: 12,772
Likes: 17
From: Indianapolis IN
Default

I've had wrap on for 3 years now, no issues, no rust, but I dont drive the car in the winter

and yes mine are coated
Reply
Old Jun 2, 2007 | 05:01 AM
  #8  
Carl90's Avatar
Carl90
Racer
10 Year Member
 
Joined: Mar 1999
Posts: 292
Likes: 0
From: Vienna VA
Default

Fire hazard. It can soak up dripping oil, which would normally burn off quickly on the header. There are reported cases of these type of fires.

I bought the wrap and decided not to use it after playing with it. The problem is that you need to minimize the overlap per the installation instructions. With the header curves, minimizing overlap on the wraps is not possible.

To help cool down the engine compartment, I punched out some 3" holes in the side of the upper fenderwell cover. This provides a higher point for hot air to escape. The fender vents are too low. No problems with water.

Last edited by Carl90; Jun 2, 2007 at 05:04 AM.
Reply
Corvette Stories

The Best of Corvette for Corvette Enthusiasts

story-0

10 Ugly Corvettes That We Still Kinda Love

 Joe Kucinski
story-1

Top 10 Most Expensive Corvettes Ever Sold on Bring A Trailer

 Brett Foote
story-2

10 Things Every Corvette Owner Needs (2026 Edition)

 Michael S. Palmer
story-3

8 Most "Only Corvette Owners Understand" Quirks and Problems

 Pouria Savadkouei
story-4

10 Reasons the C6 Z06 is Still A Performance Benchmark After 20 Years

 Joe Kucinski
story-5

How Much Horsepower Every Corvette Engine "LOST" in 1972

 Joe Kucinski
story-6

Top 10 DOs and DON'Ts for Protecting Your Convertible Top!

 Michael S. Palmer
story-7

Top 10 Most Explosive Corvettes Ever Made: Power-to-Weight Ratio Ranked!

 Joe Kucinski
story-8

150 hp to 1,250 hp: Every Corvette Generation Compared by the Specs That Matter

 Joe Kucinski
story-9

8 Coolest Corvette Pace Cars (and Replicas) of All Time

 Verdad Gallardo
Old Jun 2, 2007 | 08:53 AM
  #9  
Mr6spd's Avatar
Mr6spd
Burning Brakes
20 Year Member
 
Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 1,013
Likes: 9
Default

[QUOTE=Carl90;1560495763]Fire hazard. It can soak up dripping oil, which would normally burn off quickly on the header. There are reported cases of these type of fires.

QUOTE]


Severe fire hazard, acts just like the wick of an oil lamp. Definitely a bad idea, especially in a fiberglass car!
Reply
Old Jun 2, 2007 | 09:48 AM
  #10  
MR NICE's Avatar
MR NICE
Drifting
 
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 1,361
Likes: 0
From: Downriver Mi.
Default

[QUOTE=Mr6spd;1560496517]
Originally Posted by Carl90
Fire hazard. It can soak up dripping oil, which would normally burn off quickly on the header. There are reported cases of these type of fires.

QUOTE]


Severe fire hazard, acts just like the wick of an oil lamp. Definitely a bad idea, especially in a fiberglass car!
cure for that is fix oil leaks.

Last edited by MR NICE; Jun 3, 2007 at 01:21 PM.
Reply
Old Jun 2, 2007 | 10:47 AM
  #11  
N.C. Kid's Avatar
N.C. Kid
Burning Brakes
 
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 754
Likes: 0
From: North Carolina
Default

[QUOTE=MR NICE;1560496925]
Originally Posted by Mr6spd
cure for that is fix oil leaks
I think he means if it just happened and it was not caught. I still standby that it captures moisture and will mold and does NOT do its job but thats my opinion. LOL, you should change your name. You seem nice to me but no one else?
Reply
Old Jun 2, 2007 | 04:09 PM
  #12  
Eike's Avatar
Eike
Racer
 
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 484
Likes: 0
From: Germany
Default

I would just have them Swain tech. coated.


Reply
Old Jun 2, 2007 | 05:17 PM
  #13  
pablocruise's Avatar
pablocruise
Le Mans Master
20 Year Member
Active Streak: 30 Days
All Eyes On Me
Photogenic
 
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 8,183
Likes: 3
From: Santa Maria, CA
Default

I tried it, but would probably not do it again.
Rust bubbled up under the wrap(at the collector).

Ya gots ta keep it clean as you can. No oils dripped on it, no greasy/dirty hands touching all over it.

Mine caught on fire

Here is the hilarious thread(the pics are gone now tho-sorry)

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/showthread.php?t=573073
Reply
Old Jun 2, 2007 | 06:02 PM
  #14  
Aardwolf's Avatar
Aardwolf
Race Director
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 13,960
Likes: 707
From: WI
Default

Originally Posted by Eike


Reply
Old Jun 2, 2007 | 06:45 PM
  #15  
C4DC's Avatar
C4DC
Le Mans Master
20 Year Member
Conversation Starter
All Eyes On Me
 
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 6,080
Likes: 3
From: Clearwater FL
St. Jude Donor '06
Default

I was worried about the heat when I installed my headers, so I used some adhesive heat blanket around the brake booster, floor boards and wires, then wrapped the exhaust from the collectors back to the resonater (not the cats). I also wrapped the pipes near the diff to avoid further heat transfer. Mine is all stainless steel, so the rust isn't an issue. Seems to be holding up nicely. The heat from the uncoated primary tubes is significantly less than the stock manifolds.
Reply
Old Jun 3, 2007 | 01:22 PM
  #16  
MR NICE's Avatar
MR NICE
Drifting
 
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 1,361
Likes: 0
From: Downriver Mi.
Default

[QUOTE=N.C. Kid;1560497486]
Originally Posted by MR NICE

I think he means if it just happened and it was not caught. I still standby that it captures moisture and will mold and does NOT do its job but thats my opinion. LOL, you should change your name. You seem nice to me but no one else?
Ok I removed the eye roll
Reply
Old Jun 3, 2007 | 01:48 PM
  #17  
N.C. Kid's Avatar
N.C. Kid
Burning Brakes
 
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 754
Likes: 0
From: North Carolina
Default

[QUOTE=MR NICE;1560509149]
Originally Posted by N.C. Kid
Ok I removed the eye roll
Your like the one of my top fav members now. LOL. Dry sense of humor with sarcasim and for once your jumping down someone elses throat for my entertainment. lol
Reply
Old Jun 3, 2007 | 02:59 PM
  #18  
Repzard's Avatar
Repzard
Safety Car
 
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 3,696
Likes: 1
From: MA
Default

Originally Posted by Eike


Those look awesome
Reply
Old Jun 3, 2007 | 03:15 PM
  #19  
SHINOBI-X's Avatar
SHINOBI-X
Drifting
 
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 1,277
Likes: 1
From: Santa Maria CA
Default

Originally Posted by 89 Paul in Cal
I tried it, but would probably not do it again.
Rust bubbled up under the wrap(at the collector).

Ya gots ta keep it clean as you can. No oils dripped on it, no greasy/dirty hands touching all over it.

Mine caught on fire

Here is the hilarious thread(the pics are gone now tho-sorry)

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/showthread.php?t=573073
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! I remember that thread! Paul....im gonna donate a spare 350 to you to get things running again! I miss hearing your car on the road.
Reply

Get notified of new replies

To header wrap......yes or no!?





All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:44 AM.

story-0
10 Ugly Corvettes That We Still Kinda Love

Slideshow: 10 ugly Corvettes that we still kinda love.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-06-03 10:34:17


VIEW MORE
story-1
Top 10 Most Expensive Corvettes Ever Sold on Bring A Trailer

A lot of money has changed hands at the online auction house over the years.

By Brett Foote | 2026-06-03 10:21:50


VIEW MORE
story-2
10 Things Every Corvette Owner Needs (2026 Edition)

Slideshow: 10 great gifts Corvette enthusiasts actually want for Father's Day!

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-06-03 15:43:40


VIEW MORE
story-3
8 Most "Only Corvette Owners Understand" Quirks and Problems

Slideshow: These are the quirks, annoyances, and oddly lovable problems that every Corvette owner eventually learns to live with.

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-05-28 09:31:39


VIEW MORE
story-4
10 Reasons the C6 Z06 is Still A Performance Benchmark After 20 Years

Slideshow: 10 reasons why the C6 Z06 is still a performance benchmark after 20 years.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-27 17:20:09


VIEW MORE
story-5
How Much Horsepower Every Corvette Engine "LOST" in 1972

Slideshow: How much horsepower every Corvette engine lost in 1972.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-27 16:54:53


VIEW MORE
story-6
Top 10 DOs and DON'Ts for Protecting Your Convertible Top!

Slideshow: How to Protect A Convertible Top: 10 DOs & DON'Ts

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-04-03 00:00:00


VIEW MORE
story-7
Top 10 Most Explosive Corvettes Ever Made: Power-to-Weight Ratio Ranked!

Slideshow: The 10 most explosive Corvettes ever built based on power-to-weight ratio.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-20 07:23:03


VIEW MORE
story-8
150 hp to 1,250 hp: Every Corvette Generation Compared by the Specs That Matter

Slideshow: From C1 to C8 we compare every Corvette generation by the numbers.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-12 16:54:12


VIEW MORE
story-9
8 Coolest Corvette Pace Cars (and Replicas) of All Time

Slideshow: Some Corvette pace cars became collectible legends, while others perfectly captured the look and attitude of their era.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-11 09:50:51


VIEW MORE