PKE/Security/Starter-Kill problems are DRIVING ME MAD!
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From: Gurnee IL
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PKE/Security/Starter-Kill problems are DRIVING ME MAD!
I pulled the battery cable, and reconnected it.
I had the PKE system "re-learn" the key fob.
I had a new key made.
If I start the car in the morning, it ALWAYS starts. If I start it when I am leaving work, NOTHING! No click. But, I do get dash lights, radio and plenty o' volts to start her. Windows work, etc.
If I screw around with #26 PKE fuse, let it sit for a while, it will start up perfectly.
I really don't want to take this car to a dealer. Is there anyone out there that really understands the whole PKE/security system function so I don't replace every part in the car? Anyone know how to trouble-shoot this?
PLEASE HELP. I'm going nuts. :crazy:
I had the PKE system "re-learn" the key fob.
I had a new key made.
If I start the car in the morning, it ALWAYS starts. If I start it when I am leaving work, NOTHING! No click. But, I do get dash lights, radio and plenty o' volts to start her. Windows work, etc.
If I screw around with #26 PKE fuse, let it sit for a while, it will start up perfectly.
I really don't want to take this car to a dealer. Is there anyone out there that really understands the whole PKE/security system function so I don't replace every part in the car? Anyone know how to trouble-shoot this?
PLEASE HELP. I'm going nuts. :crazy:
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Re: PKE/Security/Starter-Kill problems are DRIVING ME MAD! (Patrick96LT4)
Maybe one of the Door switches is bad??
not sure.. I need a service manual for the 96 to read up on it..
I will let you know if I think of anything
not sure.. I need a service manual for the 96 to read up on it..
I will let you know if I think of anything
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Re: PKE/Security/Starter-Kill problems are DRIVING ME MAD! (-=Jeff=-)
If I sit in the car and start it, then turn it off about 7-8 times, it will eventually go into "starter kill" mode. Then it's dead for quite a while.
The doors would not be opened or closed... so I doubt it's a switch?
The doors would not be opened or closed... so I doubt it's a switch?
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Re: PKE/Security/Starter-Kill problems are DRIVING ME MAD! (Patrick96LT4)
One more note, even if I remove fuse #26 (the PKE fuse) permanently -- the car will still act the same.
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Re: PKE/Security/Starter-Kill problems are DRIVING ME MAD! (Patrick96LT4)
my 96 gave me fits because of the anti theft switches on the door locks. i took
the advice i received on the forum and so far so good. my problem was some
different, my interior lights stayed on all the time and my pke would shut itself
down after about 20-30 min. every morning i would have to unlock with the keyes and it would function ok as long as i didn't leave the car idle for to long.
with some advice i received on this forum and some head scratching i removed
my door panels and inspected the switches which are attached to the door locks with a clip and they were both corroded. i replaced both for $30.00
i don't know if this will help any !!!
the advice i received on the forum and so far so good. my problem was some
different, my interior lights stayed on all the time and my pke would shut itself
down after about 20-30 min. every morning i would have to unlock with the keyes and it would function ok as long as i didn't leave the car idle for to long.
with some advice i received on this forum and some head scratching i removed
my door panels and inspected the switches which are attached to the door locks with a clip and they were both corroded. i replaced both for $30.00
i don't know if this will help any !!!
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Re: PKE/Security/Starter-Kill problems are DRIVING ME MAD! (paul 86cpe)
I now this might sound wierd, but since it's been driving you nuts, why not go without it for a week. See if that's actually what's causing it, or if it's the Vats, or something else. Just shut the PKE off, and use only the keys. Put the PKE's out of range of the car and see if you still have the same symptoms. Might be worth a shot, before going to the dealer.
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Re: PKE/Security/Starter-Kill problems are DRIVING ME MAD! (Patrick96LT4)
Sounds like the VATS to me. If your key is new, maybe your ignition switch is bad. From what I have read previously your VATS shouldn't kill your starter if it is reading the proper key resistance. (I could be wrong though). In addition, it could be working in the morning because your car is cold and your ignition switch internals are tighter (thermal contraction/expansion of metal).
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Re: PKE/Security/Starter-Kill problems are DRIVING ME MAD! (merrick)
Patrick,
I guess none of the things we thought of sound like they helped but I think we're narrowing it down. With the #26 fuse out the PKE should be out of the picture. I am starting to think it's the VATS as well. Since you got a new key we can pretty much rule that out. I will look in my Haynes manual tonight.
I guess none of the things we thought of sound like they helped but I think we're narrowing it down. With the #26 fuse out the PKE should be out of the picture. I am starting to think it's the VATS as well. Since you got a new key we can pretty much rule that out. I will look in my Haynes manual tonight.
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Re: PKE/Security/Starter-Kill problems are DRIVING ME MAD! (nickd)
Since you got a new key we can pretty much rule that out. I will look in my Haynes manual tonight.
Also it could be the Ignition switch itself. Depending on how hard it is to remove the airbag, we can do it ;)
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Re: PKE/Security/Starter-Kill problems are DRIVING ME MAD! (nickd)
Guys, thanks for looking into it. I can't imagine how painful it would be to take apart the steering column.
Any way to disconnect the VATS system... and let it just start with the key, and not read the chip?
Any way to disconnect the VATS system... and let it just start with the key, and not read the chip?
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Re: PKE/Security/Starter-Kill problems are DRIVING ME MAD! (Patrick96LT4)
Guys, thanks for looking into it. I can't imagine how painful it would be to take apart the steering column.
Any way to disconnect the VATS system... and let it just start with the key, and not read the chip?
Any way to disconnect the VATS system... and let it just start with the key, and not read the chip?
To bypass the vats you can either get the vats bypass from MAD or. we can use a resistor that is the same value of your Key and wire it in as a bypass. Fairly simple.. Let us know what you decide...
BTW.. you going to vettefest this weekend?
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Re: PKE/Security/Starter-Kill problems are DRIVING ME MAD! (-=Jeff=-)
I've been so involved with a new business that I have had tunnel vision. I didn't even know Vettefest was this weekend. .... arg.
So, with the VATS bypass, the car would start with the right KEY, but it no longer needs the right "chip"... ?
So, with the VATS bypass, the car would start with the right KEY, but it no longer needs the right "chip"... ?
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Re: PKE/Security/Starter-Kill problems are DRIVING ME MAD! (Patrick96LT4)
Can I install the VATS bypass myself, is it a big project? Where does the bypass go? Steering column, under dash?
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Re: PKE/Security/Starter-Kill problems are DRIVING ME MAD! (Patrick96LT4)
Can I install the VATS bypass myself, is it a big project? Where does the bypass go? Steering column, under dash?
Sounds like your cylinder has a loose contact. Ohm out the pellet in your key and email me the value. I will create a VATS bypass circuit for you to try.
DEAL?
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Re: PKE/Security/Starter-Kill problems are DRIVING ME MAD! (-=Jeff=-)
The guy at the dealer said it was a 7.
I looked at the MAD catalog too. :(
I will certainly try your creation!! I can't wait!
I looked at the MAD catalog too. :(
I will certainly try your creation!! I can't wait!
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Re: PKE/Security/Starter-Kill problems are DRIVING ME MAD! (Patrick96LT4)
The guy at the dealer said it was a 7.
I looked at the MAD catalog too. :(
I will certainly try your creation!! I can't wait!
I looked at the MAD catalog too. :(
I will certainly try your creation!! I can't wait!
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Re: PKE/Security/Starter-Kill problems are DRIVING ME MAD! (Patrick96LT4)
Okay,
I got the ohm value from the Dealer...
I will make my circuit.. within the next couple days.. I should have it ready by the weekend
BTW.. you still want you mufflers? I found them in my garage the other day
I got the ohm value from the Dealer...
I will make my circuit.. within the next couple days.. I should have it ready by the weekend
BTW.. you still want you mufflers? I found them in my garage the other day
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Re: PKE/Security/Starter-Kill problems are DRIVING ME MAD! (-=Jeff=-)
Yea... I'll get those back from you when I stop over.
Where does this VATS bypass go??
Where does this VATS bypass go??
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Re: PKE/Security/Starter-Kill problems are DRIVING ME MAD! (Patrick96LT4)
if you take the hush panel off from below the driver side. there is an orange shielded wire that runs to the ignition switch. is has a 2 wire connector that then runs to the CCM/ECM I believe. My mod will plug into the harness side of that connector.. If it does not work, you may have a flakey CCM