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My ride
A4 3.07 ,100K L98 .Heads never been off
ZZ4 cam , 1.5 roller tip rockers ,home ported intake/ plenum,SLP big tubes.LT's,No cat.
Original injectors / spark wires/ dist /etc.
Runs 13.0X -13.1X all day in street trim.Never been correctly tuned.
Best 12.98 (3 times)
1.70 60ft's on MT DR's
"Not that much" of an improvement over 14.2 stock
From: One day you're a Comet...the next day you're dust... Arkansas
Originally Posted by rodj
My ride
A4 3.07 ,100K L98 .Heads never been off
ZZ4 cam , 1.5 roller tip rockers ,home ported intake/ plenum,SLP big tubes.LT's,No cat.
Original injectors / spark wires/ dist /etc.
Runs 13.0X -13.1X all day in street trim.Never been correctly tuned.
Best 12.98 (3 times)
1.70 60ft's on MT DR's
"Not that much" of an improvement over 14.2 stock
That works out to about 100 CHP on basically a ZZ4 cam and LT headers with minor intake porting. You truly live in the Land of Oz!
That works out to about 100 CHP on basically a ZZ4 cam and LT headers with minor intake porting.
The online calcs show about 310 chp @3450lb race weight so nearer 70hp increase.
ZZ4 has same heads as L98 (113) .ZZ4 is rated 355Hp with carb.
Obviously lose some hp with TPI but pickup on torque hense the good 60 ft.
"Untuned " defined as never been on a dyno; track adjustment of inital advance only.Has generic chip mods for spirted driving.
Still maintain ZZ4 cam /basic porting /exhaust mods excellent budget upgrade.
Want me to send you my time slips?
From: One day you're a Comet...the next day you're dust... Arkansas
Originally Posted by rodj
The online calcs show about 310 chp @3450lb race weight so nearer 70hp increase.
ZZ4 has same heads as L98 (113) .ZZ4 is rated 355Hp with carb.
Obviously lose some hp with TPI but pickup on torque hense the good 60 ft.
"Untuned " defined as never been on a dyno; track adjustment of inital advance only.Has generic chip mods for spirted driving.
Still maintain ZZ4 cam /basic porting /exhaust mods excellent budget upgrade.
Want me to send you my time slips?
Still maintain the 211 or ZZ9 is a better cam choice. Better performance and will work better with future upgrades, ie: heads or stock head porting, intake mods, etc. I know about the ZZ4 it's been around forever and works well for those on a tight budget.
The online calcs show about 310 chp @3450lb race weight so nearer 70hp increase.
ZZ4 has same heads as L98 (113) .ZZ4 is rated 355Hp with carb.
Obviously lose some hp with TPI but pickup on torque hense the good 60 ft.
"Untuned " defined as never been on a dyno; track adjustment of inital advance only.Has generic chip mods for spirted driving.
Still maintain ZZ4 cam /basic porting /exhaust mods excellent budget upgrade.
Want me to send you my time slips?
I don't trust those online calcs much. They suggest I have between 320-340 chp which is nonsense as I only have minor intake porting and 1.6RR's + cat back + free mods.
I don't doubt your 13.0 but did you actually run 14.2 with your own car or did you take that from somewhere as the stock figure for your year? I mean maybe your car was faster to start with? BTW. do you still run stock converter (if A4 trans)?
I thought you need 10hp to make 0.1sec improvement? 1.2 sec would then need a lot more than 70hp.
When I first got car ran 14.2ish; couple of 14.1's
Lt's , hi flow cat,freeflow mufflers, air pump delete and freeby mods took it down to 13.7ish I recall.Cat was stuffed which could account for less than startling performance.
Replacing cat with test pipe for track days worth good 1-1.5 sec.
Did cam/ intake at same time;took it to 13.2 ; no traction on street tyres.
The DR's dropped the 60 ft times from 1.9 to consistant 1.7's.
Ambient temps at track (sea level ) rarely below 80 , usually into 90's.
Best times was late in day with 1/4 tank with track still warm but air temp down.
Has 2K convertor
Yes, '91 has a speed density motor and does not tolerate cam changes without chip tuning.
Speed density doesn't tolerate cam changes with chip tuning
Seriously though, I like tuning speed density more than MAF, but it's a fact the more cam you have, the less resolution you end up with.
Some interesting advice in the thread. Guess a lot of you guys are really into budget builds. Thats cool! I don't think you'll ever catch me wasting my time with stock heads + intake unless its a plow truck or tow rig.
"Guess a lot of you guys are really into budget builds. Thats cool! I don't think you'll ever catch me wasting my time with stock heads + intake unless its a plow truck or tow rig."
Joe ,
in the backblocks of the world where you pay US$20K for a 20yr old Vette and cams are $600+/ heads $2500 pr you do what it take.
You can tell from the doubter's that I've done allright.
"Guess a lot of you guys are really into budget builds. Thats cool! I don't think you'll ever catch me wasting my time with stock heads + intake unless its a plow truck or tow rig."
Joe ,
in the backblocks of the world where you pay US$20K for a 20yr old Vette and cams are $600+/ heads $2500 pr you do what it take.
You can tell from the doubter's that I've done allright.
Got 11;1 383 HSR now.
Agreed. I've always just found it ended up costing more in the end to get stock stuff to work properly. Though I see your point. But I look at it like this. 113 heads fetch $500 on ebay to the "budget" minded folks, and aftermarket heads are like $1,000-1300.. TPI setups fetch like $250-$350 on ebay for the guys that think they look powerful.