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Jun 27, 2008 | 09:36 PM

#21

lead foot 85 vet

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From: providence ut

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Originally Posted by Tom DeWitt

In other words, GM did not provide enough room for a double row radiator. You make that sound like it's my fault. We do mention upgrading the condenser is required to install our radiator.

You do now Tom But three years ago you didn't.........I called and talked to you during the installation your radiator.........you told me you had just installed your radiator on an 85 the day before and it fit with the supplied spacers, mine being an early model 85 it did not(at no time did you tell me it wouldn't fit properly with out up grading to a thinner condenser)..........after are conversation I thought my 85 had a replaced a/c condenser........so I guess it is your fault......you've learned the the 84, early 85 have thicker a/c condensers sense then and thus the disclaimer on your web site...........I do love the dewitts radiator, it's just recently that I've noticed the disclaimer on the 84, 85 corvettes..........you sold them as turn key direct fit radiators at the time which of course the were not.

Jun 28, 2008 | 01:57 AM

#22

racebum

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From: oregon

doesn't griffin use dual 1 and a quarter tubes for roughly the same price?

Jun 28, 2008 | 02:33 PM

#23

85blkrose

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From: berwick pennsylvania

i contacted tom with my problem during my install and he was right there to help me out and get on the right track.

Jun 28, 2008 | 06:12 PM

#24

0Tom@Dewitt

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From: Brighton

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Originally Posted by racebum

doesn't griffin use dual 1 and a quarter tubes for roughly the same price?

No, that one is about $100 more than ours at summit

http://store.summitracing.com/partde...5&autoview=sku

This one is 3.50 thick on the mount vs our 3.0 which is really the max.

Griffin vacuum brazes, then epoxies the tubes and headers to seal.
We braze in a nocolok furnace (like Visteon and Delphi) which does not require epoxy

We specialize in Corvette radiators only, Griffin sells everything

We sponsor your forum which makes it free for everyone, Griffin doesn't

Every major Corvette dealer offers DeWitts, none offer Griffin anymore.

I participate on threads and try to help members, even though forum sales are less that 1/2% of our business, so if you still prefer the Griffin, that's what you should buy.

Jun 28, 2008 | 10:32 PM

#25

aklim

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Originally Posted by Tom DeWitt

This one is 3.50 thick on the mount vs our 3.0 which is really the max.

Griffin vacuum brazes, then epoxies the tubes and headers to seal.
We braze in a nocolok furnace (like Visteon and Delphi) which does not require epoxy

We specialize in Corvette radiators only, Griffin sells everything

We sponsor your forum which makes it free for everyone, Griffin doesn't

Is that 0.5 in going to make all the difference in the world? I think not.

Is brazing in a nocolok furnace going to hold better or is the other one with the epoxy going to hold better in the long run?

So does Be Cool. Now, I have to ask, since I am paying more for a Be Cool, is it worth that much more?

Yes you do sponsor the forum. In my book, all things being equal, I will buy from you. When I purchase, I look at the price and see the features. Price alone won't cut it. I don't care if you are cheaper but your products are inferior. When I pay more, I want to know if I am getting my money's worth. I would pay more for a better product. Seeing as how you have them both beat, price wise, I want to know if YOU think your products are at least equal to theirs. If so, I know what my winter project of radiator fix will be.

Jun 29, 2008 | 09:03 AM

#26

0Tom@Dewitt

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From: Brighton

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Originally Posted by aklim

Is that 0.5 in going to make all the difference in the world? I think not.

It acutally does..you will not have room for the rubber cushion with the thicker radiator.

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Originally Posted by aklim

Is brazing in a nocolok furnace going to hold better or is the other one with the epoxy going to hold better in the long run?

Yes. That's why 99.5% of the industry uses nocolok process.

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Originally Posted by aklim

So does Be Cool.

Are you saying they specialize in Corvette? If so, that's not true, they make radiators for all cars. We make Corvette only.

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Originally Posted by aklim

I want to know if YOU think your products are at least equal to theirs. If so, I know what my winter project of radiator fix will be.

I don't think we're equal, I know we make a better product for Corvette than either one of them but for different reasons. BC uses nocolok to but they use boxed end tanks (fabricated and welded) and we use press formed tanks. Our early C4 (84-89) comes with custom cushions and BC comes with modification instructions.

Jun 29, 2008 | 02:56 PM

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racebum

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From: oregon

Tom is right about the clearances needing to be exact in the c4 radiator housing. universal radiators like a $200 dual row 15.5 x 27.5 x 3 will only work if you fab up your own mount and use aftermarket fans. you basically ditch the factory setup and create your own. since we're doing radiator recap and have learned that griffin uses epoxy, how about ron davis? also, what's the drawback with using epoxy? cracking with age or?

Jun 29, 2008 | 07:40 PM

#28

aklim

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From: Hartford WI

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Originally Posted by Tom DeWitt

It acutally does..you will not have room for the rubber cushion with the thicker radiator.

Yes. That's why 99.5% of the industry uses nocolok process.

Are you saying they specialize in Corvette? If so, that's not true, they make radiators for all cars. We make Corvette only.

I don't think we're equal, I know we make a better product for Corvette than either one of them but for different reasons. BC uses nocolok to but they use boxed end tanks (fabricated and welded) and we use press formed tanks. Our early C4 (84-89) comes with custom cushions and BC comes with modification instructions.

I meant to say "will it make any difference in cooling properties". Yes, you are probably right that the rubber cushion will not fit. I'm just curious as to why they made it larger since I am sure they know it will not fit with the cushion.

Weird. I don't know why they would use an odd process unless it is cheaper. Why not use an established process like everyone else?

I was saying that other brands also make radiators for other cars.

YUCK!! So later this year if I used your radiator, it will be a drop in fit with no rigging? Sounds attractive.