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Old Jul 7, 2008 | 11:28 AM
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i am a mechanic but i have never worked on corvettes i own two as of right now but i havent really had to do anything to them yet. however the 94 i just bought is having a problem. i get in it and it cranks just fine sounds just right cranking but them randomly sometimes i get in it turn the key and it does nothing no clicking no nothing. i have narrowed it down to the ignition switch or the starter. i think it is the ignition switch but my grandads ZR1 did this same thing and he said it was his starter.

what do you guys think? and thanks for the help.
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Old Jul 7, 2008 | 11:37 AM
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I think you should do a search for vats.Also check out this website.http://www.vatssucks.com/ I have an 89 and it showed me how to replace my starter enabler relay.No problems since.
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Old Jul 7, 2008 | 11:37 AM
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Are you getting power to the starter when the key is turned to start?
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Old Jul 7, 2008 | 11:39 AM
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I think you should do a search for vats.Also check out this website.http://www.vatssucks.com/ I have an 89 and it showed me how to replace my starter enabler relay.No problems since.
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Old Jul 7, 2008 | 12:10 PM
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I had a similar problem on my 90, turned out to be the starter enable relay, I'd check the $12 part thats easy to replace before the more expensive and time consuming. The relay was just under the driver side hush panel on my 90, not sure if it moved by 94.
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Old Jul 7, 2008 | 12:34 PM
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My '89 did this and it was the starter. Next time it does it use a test light to see if you have juice at the starter. Just have someone hold the key and check for voltage. Another test is, next time it does it, have someone hold the key over while you smack the starter with a hammer from underneath or use a long rod and do it from above. That is how I found what mine was. Someone held the key and as soon as I smacked it the car cranked over. new starter and problem solved for me.

I also had no click that I could hear and therefore thought it was a bad realy or VATS but it turned out to be the starter.
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Old Jul 7, 2008 | 12:52 PM
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You have to do some diagnosis the next time it won't crank. Unplug the clutch safety switch and jump it (gear selector sw if automatic) and measure the voltage on the jumper when you hit crank on the ign sw. If you have 12v and no cranking, then you have a poor battery cable connection, defective battery, or a starter motor problem. If no 12v, then remove the hush panel above the drivers feet and find the two wires from above the steering column that goes to a 2 pin connector. Unplug the connector and with the ign key inserted, measure the resistance across the two wires from the steering column. It should measure the same as the ign key pellet. If more than 4% error, then you have defective contacts inside the ign lock. A new lock has new contacts. You can temporarily bypass VATS by connecting a fixed resistor, 1/4 watt 5% from Radio Shack the same value as your ign pellet across the 2 wires in the connector from the wiring harness. Later C4's require that the resistor be removed and connected again for each crank. If you measure the same resistance, then you might have a defective start enable relay. Don't permanently bypass VATS because 99% of thefts are done by bashing the column and jumping the ignition.
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Old Jul 8, 2008 | 09:26 AM
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I think you should do a search for vats.Also check out this website.http://www.vatssucks.com/ I have an 89 and it showed me how to replace my starter enabler relay.No problems since.
ya i was thinking vats also so i got my spare key out and it still did the same thing.. and it only does it randomly so i havent had a chance to check anything yet. i usually just wait a little while and then crank again and it goes just fine. i am almost positive it isnt the vats and i am thinking its the starter but i will try the relay first thanks for the heads up guys
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Old Jul 8, 2008 | 10:18 AM
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well it just did it on me again i got up under it while my brother cranked it and i tested it with the light, the little wire had no power but the bulk wire had a constant power, i think the little wire is supposed to trigger the solenoid and my test light didnt come on while he was cranking the car. i also hit it with a hammer while he turned it over and it didnt turn over either so i am guessing its the relay.

anyone know where this is located on a 94?
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Old Jul 8, 2008 | 05:35 PM
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funny, I am having the same problem with mine right now. It would be awesome to get it fixed.
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Guessing and randomly replacing parts is not a smart way to repair cars. I posted a diagnostic procedure that will tell you where the problem is. Try it, you'll like it.
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Originally Posted by maroon88iroc
i am a mechanic but i have never worked on corvettes i own two as of right now but i havent really had to do anything to them yet. however the 94 i just bought is having a problem. i get in it and it cranks just fine sounds just right cranking but them randomly sometimes i get in it turn the key and it does nothing no clicking no nothing. i have narrowed it down to the ignition switch or the starter. i think it is the ignition switch but my grandads ZR1 did this same thing and he said it was his starter.

what do you guys think? and thanks for the help.
What happens if you wait for 8 minutes (or 10, whatever spec is), and try again?

If it starts then, you've got VATS!

I though that was only on early c4 tho'. My '87 did it with a spare key I had made.

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Guessing and randomly replacing parts is not a smart way to repair cars. I posted a diagnostic procedure that will tell you where the problem is. Try it, you'll like it.
HUH??? I thought that was the American way? Fully Automatic Assault Wallet.
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Old Jul 9, 2008 | 02:25 PM
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Then I guess my problem must be with the VATS system.

I have always said it was the car telling me that it wanted to spend a little "quiet" time with me.. hehe
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Old Jul 9, 2008 | 04:17 PM
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I'd lay odds it's the relay as well.If you read vatssucks it shows you how to bypass it.Try that first and if it cures the problem go spend $12.95 for a new relay.
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i just looked at vatssuck.com and there is no info posted for the 94's yet. i guess i have to keep checking
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i am going to try the relay. but if it isnt that what do i do if its vats?
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Originally Posted by maroon88iroc
i am going to try the relay. but if it isnt that what do i do if its vats?
Maybe you don't need to spend cash yet. Next time it does not start,


[ME] What happens if you wait for 8 minutes (or 10, whatever spec is), and try again?

If it starts then, you've got VATS!
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Maybe you don't need to spend cash yet. Next time it does not start,
thats what it does(wont crank but then 10 min. later it does just fine), but how do i go about fixing it?
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Originally Posted by maroon88iroc
thats what it does(wont crank but then 10 min. later it does just fine), but how do i go about fixing it?
Not sure there maroon, but I AM 100% sure that if it always starts 10 minutes later, it's a vats gig. I think everyone will agree on that...

Someone will post up whose done a fix, or installed the bypass for it... searchin' the forum for 'vats' solution will crash the CF server;
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Try a small piece of fine sandpaper in the keyhole to clean the contacts.
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