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Old Feb 28, 2009 | 01:21 AM
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Which would be the best way to go, headers or complete dual exhaust system- complete magnaflow dual exhaust system?
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headers with a less-expensive exhaust
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Why not both? That is the road I am going down. A very long road.
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Originally Posted by Harley Davidson
Why not both? That is the road I am going down. A very long road.
I haven't seen any test results that proved that duals make more power than one good single, have you?
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Originally Posted by aklim
I haven't seen any test results that proved that duals make more power than one good single, have you?
What do you consider a good single system, what motor/year are we comparing to, and most importantly what mods are done to the engines besides the exaust?
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Originally Posted by Harley Davidson
What do you consider a good single system, what motor/year are we comparing to, and most importantly what mods are done to the engines besides the exaust?
I ran few quarters and got an average time. Took off my exhaust system from the collectors back and left them in the car and did some runs. Nothing changed that I could say "Ah HA!" Right now, I have Borla cat back stingers with a good cat, Could I get a system that flows more? Maybe. Would it help? I haven't seen it. Maybe if all I was doing was WOT runs and was running way more than what I am getting (410 RWHP), it might make a difference. Thing is, it doesn't matter how much it will flow once you get past a certain point.
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Originally Posted by aklim
I ran few quarters and got an average time. Took off my exhaust system from the collectors back and left them in the car and did some runs. Nothing changed that I could say "Ah HA!" Right now, I have Borla cat back stingers with a good cat, Could I get a system that flows more? Maybe. Would it help? I haven't seen it. Maybe if all I was doing was WOT runs and was running way more than what I am getting (410 RWHP), it might make a difference. Thing is, it doesn't matter how much it will flow once you get past a certain point.
I have duals already. When I get headers, I will just attach the duals to the headers instead of the manifolds. Will it make power than i have now? Maybe a few horsepower but like you said, it can only do so much. I have the L98 and even if I run straight headers, it's not going to make my car a dragster. I have a stock motor so with true duals/headers, I would expect a small gain. As for the OP, *I* asked a quiestion as to why he did not do both and never did I say that it would be better to do both because I have no experience with headers. Now, my true duals is alot better than the stock exaust the came on it. Regardless of the outcome, I will buy some headers, add the true duals onto those and be done with it.

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Originally Posted by Harley Davidson
Now, my true duals is alot better than the stock exaust the came on it. Regardless of the outcome, I will buy some headers, add the true duals onto those and be done with it.
That isn't going to take much since the stock system is a mess of pipes. The question is whether you will lose some scavenging effect.
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Originally Posted by aklim
That isn't going to take much since the stock system is a mess of pipes. The question is whether you will lose some scavenging effect.
The credit you gave the stock exaust is more than it deserves! How would I loose some scavenging effect?
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I noticed a BIG increase in power when I went to duals, but I also got rid of the stock mufflers at that time. So I can't say what really helped.

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Originally Posted by Harley Davidson
The credit you gave the stock exaust is more than it deserves! How would I loose some scavenging effect?
If you put an X or H pipe, maybe not but straight dual back out the rear, I would think might be hurt because of the exhaust pulse charge of one side not being able to pull the charge out from the other side.
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Did you cut off some pieces inside? Pipe is missing
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Originally Posted by Harley Davidson
Did you cut off some pieces inside? Pipe is missing
No I didn't, the gap in the middle pipe is so gas can try to get out the one working outlet pipe.

I noticed that the dummy outlet did have a slight amount of flow and always wondered why. That dummy pipe isn't sealed tight and pressure seems to force some gas into the closed off chamber, allowing a bit to flow out. Just in case anyone was curious about that.
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I went with long tube headers and duals on my '85, no cats. I noticed a big increase in power but a slight loss at rpms below 1500. I was told its because of a lack of backpressure. Oh well it sounds cool
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I went with long tube headers and duals on my '85, no cats. I noticed a big increase in power but a slight loss at rpms below 1500. I was told its because of a lack of backpressure. Oh well it sounds cool
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Originally Posted by Demonic85
I went with long tube headers and duals on my '85, no cats. I noticed a big increase in power but a slight loss at rpms below 1500. I was told its because of a lack of backpressure. Oh well it sounds cool
But was that because of the LT headers or what? I think you lose responsiveness below 1500 because of the scavenging
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He has an '85 right? 84-86 Converter is a 2026 rpm stall so it's just slipping away.
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Originally Posted by Demonic85
I went with long tube headers and duals on my '85, no cats. I noticed a big increase in power but a slight loss at rpms below 1500. I was told its because of a lack of backpressure. Oh well it sounds cool
Old wive's tale.
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Old wive's tale.

The header collectors provide all the "tuning" necessary so that open headers will provide as much power as any fancy pseudo-tuning thereafter.
Plus the "D" ports of the #113 heads tend to minimize reversion that can occur when the exhaust valve is closing and the intake is opening.

The bottom line with exhaust sizing, as illustrated by David Vizard in his book on SBCs, is that it needs to flow around 2.1cfm/chp. So, even at 300chp no single cat will flow enough; at 400chp even a single 3" pipe will not flow enough.
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