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Old Mar 13, 2009 | 09:15 AM
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I'm finishing up my cam install this weekend. I already installed my intake without priming the engine at the oil drive stub.

I've read that you can pack the oil pump with assembly lube and fill the oil filter with oil. Then pull the harness off the coil and turn it over a few times. Is this a sufficient alternative to prime the engine? I picked up a tube of CNC engine assembly lube. If this will work it will save me having to pick up the priming tool and pulling off the intake again.

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When I did my cam swap I put the engine back together like normal, filled with oil and unplugged the battery wire from the coil. Then I just cranked the engine like I was trying to start it and let the oil pump do its job. I would crank for about 15-20 seconds and stop, then crank again. I did that a couple times to make sure everything was lubed. When I was done I plugged the battery back in and fired it up. No issues.
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I have a junk distributor without a cam gear on the bottom of the shaft, and with a 3/8" nut welded to the top of the shaft. To prime, I drop this distributor into the engine and turn the shaft with a speed wrench/universal/9/16" socket.

When the turning gets tough, it's primed.

It works great on L-98 and older engines, don't know about LT engines.
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Originally Posted by l1sikes
I have a junk distributor without a cam gear on the bottom of the shaft, and with a 3/8" nut welded to the top of the shaft. To prime, I drop this distributor into the engine and turn the shaft with a speed wrench/universal/9/16" socket.

When the turning gets tough, it's primed.

It works great on L-98 and older engines, don't know about LT engines.
Doesn't work on Gen 2 and later engines. No hole in the intake manifold.
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Originally Posted by Kubs
When I did my cam swap I put the engine back together like normal, filled with oil and unplugged the battery wire from the coil. Then I just cranked the engine like I was trying to start it and let the oil pump do its job. I would crank for about 15-20 seconds and stop, then crank again. I did that a couple times to make sure everything was lubed. When I was done I plugged the battery back in and fired it up. No issues.
You can do this with roller lifters. Don't try this with a flat tappet cam. Excessive cranking without startup and splash oiling to the camshaft can wipe out the lobes.
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Old Mar 14, 2009 | 08:48 AM
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You can do this with roller lifters. Don't try this with a flat tappet cam. Excessive cranking without startup and splash oiling to the camshaft can wipe out the lobes.
So should I just skip packing engine assembly lube in the oil oil pump?

Any ideas on keeping the flexplate from turning while reinstalling the hub? I have a screwdriver jammed in the teeth held against the ground right now. I was going to give that a try.
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Originally Posted by rickreeves1
So should I just skip packing engine assembly lube in the oil oil pump?

Any ideas on keeping the flexplate from turning while reinstalling the hub? I have a screwdriver jammed in the teeth held against the ground right now. I was going to give that a try.
Currently I use a flywheel tool. (kind of a captured screw driver) I used to jam a screw driver in the teeth and leverage the screw driver against the block. I have to go to work in a couple of minutes, but if you can't get it torqued with the screw driver in the in the ring gear teeth method: shoot me a pm and I'll swing out your way later this afternoon with the flywheel tool.


I would have loaned you my primer too. You lubed the cam on install (correct?) and your using the stock shortblock (right) I'd pour oil over the valve train (during the initial oil fill) and start the sucker, since the intake is already installed.

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Originally Posted by rickreeves1
Any ideas on keeping the flexplate from turning while reinstalling the hub?
K-D Tools Flywheel Turner #2270 (< $25.00)
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Originally Posted by rickreeves1
I've read that you can pack the oil pump with assembly lube and fill
the oil filter with oil. Then pull the harness off the coil and turn it over
a few times. Is this a sufficient alternative to prime the engine?
If you have access to the pump, then removal of the cover to add
assembly lube (or petroleum jelly) will help the pump to prime when
it begins to turn. My vote is that it is NOT necessary to PACK the
housing - all that is required is enough to provide a greater seal
between the teeth, housing and ends than would exist with a dry
pump. Suction will be established more promptly.

Pre-filling the filter (once the engine is installed) is always a benefit to
developing pressure faster.

The LTx engine can be primed externally through a oil temperature or
pressure sender port. One method is to use an accumulator such as
those sold by Canton, Moroso, or possibly something from Habour
Freight. Another method is to use compressed air to pressurize oil
from a sealed container through a port into the oil gallery. A third
method is to use an external pump to pass fluid from a reservoir into
the gallery. There may be other possiblities.

If external priming is unattractive, my vote is that countless engines
have been fired without such measures. Make sure that everything
else is ready to ensure minimal cranking. Spin with the ignition & fuel
disabled until pressure is seen on the gauge. Activate ign/fuel and
go.

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Originally Posted by Slalom4me
Another method is to use compressed air to pressurize oil from
a sealed container through a port into the oil gallery.
Proceed with caution.

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