(OK update I have threads in the one hole for inside runner bolts.)

I am trying to get my SR on, but the runner bolts are drilled out bigger than the bolts, and 2 bottom middle ones are cut off the runners, so the bolts have washers on them.

On the base there are 2 bolts that bolt in from the inside corners to the runners, but with no threads that does no good, so can I make it that the bolts all go in from the out side?
do I tap out the 2 holes to some how get them to bolt up?

this was on KWIK88's race car I guess , so it has a bunch of crap done to it to make it easier to get on and off I guess.

any help or ideas are much appriciated

KWIK88 I sent you a pm, and an email for ideas or help to get this thing on, and then not have leaks

 

no comprende

pics would be a huge plus. I have no idea how to picture in my head what you have there.

Maybe we can break it down.
I am thinking your doing it wrong, but I dont know.


are we putting runners into the base? runners into the plenum?

 

I have a Super Ram on the bench waiting to go in. The middle bolt holes on the bottom of the runners are slotted so you can first thread the bolts into the manifold and then slip the runners on. Otherwise the runners are too large in diameter and don't leave room to get the bolt started.

The bolt holes for the two top bolts that install from the back side of the runners are threaded on the runners instead of the manifold. If they've been drilled out, I don't know why. I guess all you could do is drill and tap for a 3/8-16 rather than a 5/16-18. I doubt you'll get a good enough seal without those.

 

Pics would be a big help here. My superram's "underneath" bolts were converted so they aren't installed top-side, I wonder if you have something similar going on here.

 

Thr trick to getting the bottom bolts tight is to remove the valve covers. You have to grind the inside lip of the valve covers to clear the runners to reinstall them later. As far as the drilled out holes, can you helicoil them?

 

Wow I forgot the valve cover trick and having to shave them some. It wasn't much at all, but I did shave the upper edge a little when installing theS R.

 

ok, thanks guys this is all for runners to base

1.I have the valve covers off
2.the runners are all ground down, and notched for clearencing
3.the holes on the runners are drilled out smooth
4.the bottom middle bolt hole on the runner is a half circle to slide down on the bolt first
5.with no threads on the SR runners, how do I get the 2 inside bolts on the base to runners bolted in?

 

The threads should be in the plenum itself and the bolts install from the bottom going up into the plenum. This is so they could never come loose and fall into your intake manifold. I've heard the bolt heads cause more air turbulence too, but I don't know how true it is. Unless your plenum has no threads too, then it's on to plan 'B'.


A general FYI. I you or a friend have a tap set, do yourself a massive favor and run a tap through all the plenum threads. They're usually really crappy and cleaning them up makes install SOOOOOO much easier.

 

I am only referring to the runners bolting to the base it self, not the plenum. the set up was on a race car, and they did all kinds of crap to I think, but my problem is no threads on the runners that bolt to the base inatake manifold.
thanks

 

awesome, thanks man I just went and checked they are what you described here, and the threads work, so all clear thanks guys

 

I don't follow you as there aren't supposed to be any by default, but I haven't had mine off the car in 4 years. The bolts just go through the runners and screw into either the intake manifold or the plenum. Think about it a little, threads in the runners wouldn't pull anything together. The bolts pull the plenum down to the runners and the runners to the intake manifold.

 

Good to hear. Let us know how it goes. I ordered AFR 195s yesterday. So I'm waiting for them to arrive before I install my SR.

I've heard you should install the runner to base bolts loose at first. Then install the plenum to runner bolts and tighten them. Finish by tightening the runner to base bolts. And definitely check for leaks.

 

Yes on all points. Threadlocking the center bolts doesn't hurt too. A few people have been bitten by vacuum leaks if those fall a few months later and don't think to open the plenum and take a look.

Go slow and don't rush it and the SR isn't as bad to install as many say.

 

cut slots in the ends of the inner screws, and thread them in using a small magnetic-tipped screwdriver...keeps one from entering the insane asylum!!

 

working on that now

 

I did this... had my SR on and off a few times.
I regeted doing this.

if you do, chase the threads with a die (sp?)
hope when you back out the bolts one day, the screwdriver does not tear up the threads.

There is an easier way. I post it in every SR thread but no one gives a ****, so I will just stop.

 

I'd like to hear.

 

Huh? If you clean the threads in the plenum and the bolts themselves after threading it shouldn't be bad. Use a screwdriver that has a head more narrow than the shank of the bolt and it shouldn't be a problem.

 

I would really like to hear. I am boltng the plenum on, and it came with ittle slits on the tip of the bolts, I ran them through first, and they all worked, but I would lke to learn something new, and I am not afraid to think outside the box, thanks

 

ok one last time....

Chase the threads with a tap.
use anti sieze.
get these allen cap bolts.


You can screw them in with your fingers. once they are about seated, you use the allen wrench. You can cut the short end of the wrench down a lot further so it fits right in there. these work great for the perimeter of the runners to the plenum.

For those two bolts on the insides between the runners, intsall the from the top. drill out the plenum, and tap the runners. this is not a new idea, but this one cuts the time down a ton. I use silicone glue on mine.

as for the runners to base. I dont know if you guys are using stock bolts, I have the same sort of allen heads, and with a 1/4 universal with electrical tape wrapped around it to keep it straight. I JB welded a piece of the allen wrench into a socket. (I forget what size it was). this allow me to use a ratchet to tighten all the runner to base bolts.

I can tighten down the entire runner to base bolts with this tool in no time. Not a single rocker in the way (roller rockers)

this may still seem hard to do to some. maybe you have big hands... when you have to take it apart (most hope they never do, I have about 10 times) this will be so easy to get all the bolts back out of it.