Starting Problem. HELPPPPPPP
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Starting Problem. HELPPPPPPP
Car was running ok. It would die in idle once in a while. Yesterday, it wouldn't crank. Everything seemed ok. Security light did not come on. Crank it but it wouldn't crank. Smoke seemed to come out of the radio area. Starter relay was replaced but that was not the answer. Nothing seemed wrong with the Neutral Safety Switch.
From the location, only one thing remains. The CCM. Is there a way to test it before I have to replace it?
From the location, only one thing remains. The CCM. Is there a way to test it before I have to replace it?
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Boy would that be neat if you told us what year Corvette it is.
The CCM isn't involved with the starter motor circuit. You have a VATS problem. Use the search function, there is a ton of info on VATS. I have typed the test procedure more than 380 times.
The CCM isn't involved with the starter motor circuit. You have a VATS problem. Use the search function, there is a ton of info on VATS. I have typed the test procedure more than 380 times.
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At least the OP does have his profile filled out and on his 91 the CCM is very much a part of the starter motor circuit.
It is possible to pull codes from the CCM, but I am not sure it will identify the problem if it went up in smoke. See this link, then scroll down to Sequenced Code Recovery 1990-1993. As always retrieving codes is just a starting point for diagnosis, you will need the correct FSM to isolate the problem,
http://www.corvettephotographs.com/c4vettes/codes.htm
I have been told forum vendor vette2vette can get CCM's rebuilt but have not tried it myself, good luck.
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The --- indicates there are no codes in the CCM (module 4)
Verify you have a fully charged battery and cable connections are clean and tight at the battery and starter terminals. The starter and charging system diagnosis section of FSM book two says to follow the procedure in chart #1 if no codes are present in the CCM.
Verify you have a fully charged battery and cable connections are clean and tight at the battery and starter terminals. The starter and charging system diagnosis section of FSM book two says to follow the procedure in chart #1 if no codes are present in the CCM.
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The --- indicates there are no codes in the CCM (module 4)
Verify you have a fully charged battery and cable connections are clean and tight at the battery and starter terminals. The starter and charging system diagnosis section of FSM book two says to follow the procedure in chart #1 if no codes are present in the CCM.
Verify you have a fully charged battery and cable connections are clean and tight at the battery and starter terminals. The starter and charging system diagnosis section of FSM book two says to follow the procedure in chart #1 if no codes are present in the CCM.
Still I wonder why there was smoke from the radio when I started to crank it. I will have to take out the CCM and see if it smells bad.
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Well, after trying to remove the CCM, I gave up and called Gordon Killbrew. He gave me the weirdest idea. Follow the yellow wire from the Neutral Safety Switch. WTF!!! NFW in hell. Oh well, I'll go take a look. Sure enough the yellow wire was burnt and smoked with me twitching the key. Guess I will have to reinstall the CCM brackets and put it back together after I fix it. Best $20 I spent in a long time.
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When I called about a suspension problem,
I was charged 45 bucks and told, "AHhhhh, I dunno"
Complete waste of my time and money.
The man is sharp, no doubt about it.
But not perfect.
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The automotive gods have smiled on me. Car starts.
The wire was burnt in who knows how many places. I used a 10 ga wire and ran it from the relay.
4 wires on the relay. The last GD MF SOB who fixed it must use all 12 ga yellow wires. WTF!!!
The wire was burnt in who knows how many places. I used a 10 ga wire and ran it from the relay.
4 wires on the relay. The last GD MF SOB who fixed it must use all 12 ga yellow wires. WTF!!!
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Pretty much every year can be affected either when owned by or fixed by some numb nuts. I mean, can't you use some common sense and NOT fix it with 3 out of 4 wires made from the same spool?