need help-no start 85
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From: toledo ohio
need help-no start 85
car hasn't been started or driven since last november
with key in run:
dash lights up
fuel pump comes on
no check engine light
good battery
new coil and module
new spark plug wires
new tune on chip
new exhaust
when i turn the key to start:
starter does not turn - no sound
fan comes on
security light flashes
brake light comes on
also
cant read any codes using paperclip method
check engine light does not flash at all
i'm not sure where to start first
any help would be greatly appreciated!
thanks in advance
matt
with key in run:
dash lights up
fuel pump comes on
no check engine light
good battery
new coil and module
new spark plug wires
new tune on chip
new exhaust
when i turn the key to start:
starter does not turn - no sound
fan comes on
security light flashes
brake light comes on
also
cant read any codes using paperclip method
check engine light does not flash at all
i'm not sure where to start first
any help would be greatly appreciated!
thanks in advance
matt
Last edited by matts85vet; Mar 31, 2010 at 10:08 PM.
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From: toledo ohio
thanks for the reply!
ill check the starter out
im a little confused by the fan, brake light, and security light coming on
and why i cant read any codes and why the check engine light doesnt come on at all
ill check the starter out
im a little confused by the fan, brake light, and security light coming on
and why i cant read any codes and why the check engine light doesnt come on at all
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First, check your starter.
Second, "new tune on chip".
Have you driven the car since you did that.
If the SES light doesn´t come on at all, then maybe the chip isn´t seated properly.
If it is, then it might be the ECM itself that is toast.
According to the L98 startsequence, the engine should turn even if the ECM is toast, it just doesn´t start.
Second, "new tune on chip".
Have you driven the car since you did that.
If the SES light doesn´t come on at all, then maybe the chip isn´t seated properly.
If it is, then it might be the ECM itself that is toast.
According to the L98 startsequence, the engine should turn even if the ECM is toast, it just doesn´t start.
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From: toledo ohio
thanks for the responses!
car has not been driven w/ new chip.
i tried the old chip and same thing.
i aligned the notch in the chip with the notch in the carrier.
carrier can only go in one way
im thinking it might be a wiring issue?
how do you check the starter or solenoid?
car has not been driven w/ new chip.
i tried the old chip and same thing.
i aligned the notch in the chip with the notch in the carrier.
carrier can only go in one way
im thinking it might be a wiring issue?
how do you check the starter or solenoid?
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Well, you can't read any codes because they are mostly there for emissions device monitoring. If your car isn't running, there is nothing to check, "you ain't pollutin". ninja edit: Yes you can get codes for TPS too high too long if it's shorted and other stuff, but very little that controls "starting" is monitored and reported, especially AT startup.
The combination of lights seems odd to me too. I don't have the FSM in front of me so I can't be real specific but have a look at the wires and relays in the battery and brake booster area. There are fusible links there and just perhaps something is interrupting flow to or redirecting power flow away from the solenoid.
The combination of lights seems odd to me too. I don't have the FSM in front of me so I can't be real specific but have a look at the wires and relays in the battery and brake booster area. There are fusible links there and just perhaps something is interrupting flow to or redirecting power flow away from the solenoid.
Last edited by Steve85; Apr 1, 2010 at 01:31 PM.
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Sounds like you have 2 issues here. First no crank. As has been suggested check for power to the starter when the key is turned to crank.
Second you should get a code 12 if everything is OK. There must be a connection or other problem with the ECM. I know on an 85 you have to remove the original chip socket to use Moates' set up. Did you do this yourself or have Moates do it?
Second you should get a code 12 if everything is OK. There must be a connection or other problem with the ECM. I know on an 85 you have to remove the original chip socket to use Moates' set up. Did you do this yourself or have Moates do it?
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update
engine now cranks but does not start
fan no longer comes on
i removed the starter and checked it by jumping the solenoid
it worked fine so i cleaned the connections and reinstalled it
check engine light on momentarily w/ key in run then goes out
no code 12 using paper clip
i replaced the 25yr old? ecm but the results are the same
there is power to the ecm
prom is installed correctly and seated
im thinking it may have something to do with the new ignition coil, module, pickup coil and capacitor i installed in the distributor
im at a standstill and out of ideas
any comments or suggestions are appreciated
fan no longer comes on
i removed the starter and checked it by jumping the solenoid
it worked fine so i cleaned the connections and reinstalled it
check engine light on momentarily w/ key in run then goes out
no code 12 using paper clip
i replaced the 25yr old? ecm but the results are the same
there is power to the ecm
prom is installed correctly and seated
im thinking it may have something to do with the new ignition coil, module, pickup coil and capacitor i installed in the distributor
im at a standstill and out of ideas
any comments or suggestions are appreciated
Last edited by matts85vet; Apr 6, 2010 at 10:17 PM.
