Air pump eliminator????
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Air pump eliminator????
What does the air pump acutally do? Does it have something to do with the cats? My cats are gutted so Cant i just take out the air pump without replacing it with anything. Why do you need a air pump eliminator to remove the air pump? Also the egr valve what does that acutally do. Isnt that something to do with the exhaust too. Will it hurt if that comes off too? Thanks everyone Ron :)
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Re: Air pump eliminator???? (siberianhusky911)
I dont have luv to give ya, but from what I have read here on the forum, the pump elim kit only helps to clean up the engine compartment and reduce some weight. It does take some stress off the engine, but not enough to justify the cost of the kit. Im thinking most people get it to clean things up in the engine compartment. At least that is why I will eventually get one.
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Re: Air pump eliminator???? (siberianhusky911)
The air pump pushes air inside your exhaust manifold to help to burn the gases that are not correctly burned (oxidation), then you will have less polution exhaust gases.
Then the brake pump loss power to the engine (drag loss), if you take off the air pump you can gain some ponies.
The bracket air pump eliminator came with the plugs for the manifolds.
Some peoples says that the engine looks cleaner because you remove the smog box and the hoses. Less parts in your engine.
I believe that yes, you can gain more ponies but I don´t believe that 20 hp like tuners says !
I will buy the eliminator kit because my air pump sounds and I don´t need to pass pollution tests.
Yes, the egr is part of the exhaust (intake base manifold to exhaust manifold)
hope this helps !
[Modified by Eduardo L98 1991, 9:32 PM 3/20/2002]
Then the brake pump loss power to the engine (drag loss), if you take off the air pump you can gain some ponies.
The bracket air pump eliminator came with the plugs for the manifolds.
Some peoples says that the engine looks cleaner because you remove the smog box and the hoses. Less parts in your engine.
I believe that yes, you can gain more ponies but I don´t believe that 20 hp like tuners says !
I will buy the eliminator kit because my air pump sounds and I don´t need to pass pollution tests.
Yes, the egr is part of the exhaust (intake base manifold to exhaust manifold)
hope this helps !
[Modified by Eduardo L98 1991, 9:32 PM 3/20/2002]
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Re: Air pump eliminator???? (Eduardo L98 1991)
The air pump pushes air inside your exhaust manifold to help to burn the gases that are not correctly burned (oxidation), then you will have less polution exhaust gases.
The bracket air pump eliminator came with the plugs for the manifolds.
I just wish this little bracket didn't cost so much money!
EGR= exhaust gas recirculation. It re-introduces exhaust gasses into the incoming A/F charge via the intake manifold, for more environment freindly combustion. That's a rough description, someone will chime in here with the real deal. So far, haven't really seen people running without it.
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Re: Air pump eliminator???? (siberianhusky911)
I just bought both the Underdrive Pulleys and the Air Pump Eliminator for my '86 auto. I liked the Eliminator because it really cleans up the Engine.
As for the pulleys I'm hoping for a few more ponies..........we'll see.
As for the pulleys I'm hoping for a few more ponies..........we'll see.
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Re: Air pump eliminator???? (Mr. Magoo)
Just as a warning, a few years ago on the Vettenet email list. A few member have had problems with the air pump eliminator kit. The conclusion was metal bracket was not stronger enough and was slightly warping after few years.
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Re: Air pump eliminator???? (siberianhusky911)
I guess my real question is can i just take my air pump off without putting anything in its place? 160 dollars is alot for that dam eliminator
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Re: Air pump eliminator???? (siberianhusky911)
the air pump is connected to the belt drive system of the engine, so if you take it off, youll be missing a pulley and your belt wont fit as well as mess up the rest of your belt system, since some pulleys route the belt around them and some just place tension on the backside.
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Re: Air pump eliminator???? (siberianhusky911)
i am currently installing a 383 in my car (finished by this weekend i hope?). it is a 84. im removeing the pump but not installing any air pump eliminater. on a 84 you dont have to...that what everyone on the forum is telling me? ill know more by monday & will post my results. i can tell you the pump definetly has lots of drag. i even gutted mine & it is still hard to turn. :cuss if the pump eliminater worked on a 84 (it doesnt?) i think it would be worth the $ for the horsepower gain! good luck! :cheers:
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Re: Air pump eliminator???? (yoslambo1@cs.com)
I believe that the '84 is the ONLY year that doesn't need the eliminater kit. On an '84, just buy a shorter belt. Yoslambo1, maybe your pump has bad bearings, because even a fully functional pump shouldn't draw much HP. It is the least power absorbing item driven by the belt. In MY opinion, it doesn't draw $160.00 worth of power.
BTW, the kit probably DOES work on the '84, you just don't need it, like you do for other years. 1984 owners can buy a $160.00 kit to avoid purchasing a $30.00 belt.
Basically correct. Further elaboration on what all it effects probablty isn't needed here, but be aware that the EGR is ECM controlled. The EGR is NOT active in the PE (power enhancement) mode. Therefore, it does not affect full throttle performance. And it DOES help with fuel economy at part throttle.
[Modified by CFI-EFI, 12:22 PM 3/21/2002]
BTW, the kit probably DOES work on the '84, you just don't need it, like you do for other years. 1984 owners can buy a $160.00 kit to avoid purchasing a $30.00 belt.
EGR= exhaust gas recirculation. It re-introduces exhaust gasses into the incoming A/F charge via the intake manifold, for more environment freindly combustion. That's a rough description, someone will chime in here with the real deal. So far, haven't really seen people running without it.
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Re: Air pump eliminator???? (siberianhusky911)
I didnt see any significant gains on the dyno. I did before and after. It's worth maybe 2 or 3 rwhp but the different conditions could have produced those results. The conditions were similar however, I just dont have a weather station to verify. That being said I still think its worth it. It does clean up the engine bay alot and makes it easier to see your timing marks if you play with your timing alot like I do. It also takes about 22lbs off the front of the car.
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Re: Air pump eliminator???? (CFI-EFI)
[QUOTE]I believe that the '84 is the ONLY year that doesn't need the eliminater kit. On an '84, just buy a shorter belt. Yoslambo1, maybe your pump has bad bearings, because even a fully functional pump shouldn't draw much HP. It is the least power absorbing item driven by the belt. In MY opinion, it doesn't draw $160.00 worth of power.
i have 2 pollution pumps..... both pumps you can feel the drag just by spinning it freely with your hand. 1 i gutted the other is stock.they both have drag. even if you pick up only 10 hp, $160.00 isnt much $ for the hp! race teams spend thousands for simmilar results. by the way on the 84 the resivour for the power steering attaches to the pump...how could a 84 use the eliminater? call mid america they will tell you it isnt for a 84 even though it says so in there catalog. :rolleyes:
i have 2 pollution pumps..... both pumps you can feel the drag just by spinning it freely with your hand. 1 i gutted the other is stock.they both have drag. even if you pick up only 10 hp, $160.00 isnt much $ for the hp! race teams spend thousands for simmilar results. by the way on the 84 the resivour for the power steering attaches to the pump...how could a 84 use the eliminater? call mid america they will tell you it isnt for a 84 even though it says so in there catalog. :rolleyes:
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Re: Air pump eliminator???? (yoslambo1@cs.com)
Obvously you and I disagree on the amount of power the AIR pump draws and the dollar value of that power. I agree to disagree. No point in arguing about it. To me, the 2-3 RWHP that red90sixspeed reports, sounds about right. If I were a professional race team or had their resources, I probably wouldn't be fooling with an'84.
Your '84 and my '84 must have been put together quite differently. My PS reservoir is inside a bracket, on the left side of the engine, that holds the upper altenator bolt. My AIR pump is to the right of the altenator and that bracket. It looks as though a 2" shorter belt is all that would be needed to eliminate the AIR pump. I am not that familar with the kit, maybe it won't fit an '84. There certainly is no need for one. On MY car simply removing the pump and replacing the belt would do it.
by the way on the 84 the resivour for the power steering attaches to the pump...how could a 84 use the eliminater?
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Re: Air pump eliminator???? (CFI-EFI)
[QUOTE]Obvously you and I disagree on the amount of power the AIR pump draws and the dollar value of that power. I agree to disagree. No point in arguing about it. To me, the 2-3 RWHP that red90sixspeed reports, sounds about right. If I were a professional race team or had their resources, I probably wouldn't be fooling with an'84.
if i was a race team i wouldnt fool around with a 84 with a 383 either!!!
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D if i oned a 84 i wouldnt fool around with any vette but maybe a 75 :lol: :D
if i was a race team i wouldnt fool around with a 84 with a 383 either!!!
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D if i oned a 84 i wouldnt fool around with any vette but maybe a 75 :lol: :D
