Another new CFI Intake
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Burning Brakes
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Another new CFI Intake
I heard a rumor that there is another version of the Renegade manifold in the works. The new version is slated to be called the;"Renegade-VT" for use with vortec heads. 
Le Mans Master
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Well, since you can drill out the bolt pattern on Vortech heads (even with the engine in the car) why would DCS build a special version of the intake just for Vortec heads? Doesn't seem to make sense to me.
They ARE shipping the new Renegades out just as fast as they can - just so you know. Follow the CrossFire stuff link in my sig.....
They ARE shipping the new Renegades out just as fast as they can - just so you know. Follow the CrossFire stuff link in my sig.....
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I'm sure they are, but (just to be clear) that was MY choice, not theirs. Personally I think they've done the C4 guys and more specifically the CrossFire guys a HUGE service by getting this manifold into production. It finally allows all the 82 and 84 CFI cars to perform like they should have in the first place.
whats a new intake going to do with crappy heads and an anemic cam and even more anemic exhaust?
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The 84 engine package is almost identical to the non-roller TPI setup, the main difference being the intake manifold. And since the runners on the CFI intake are much shorter than the TPI (but much longer than the LTx intakes) I'm guessing that the CFI cars are gonna really start surprising people in the next year as owners get "real" engines and engine mods going in them.
Last edited by mcm95403; Jun 21, 2010 at 10:33 AM.
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Le Mans Master
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It's going to allow those owners to replace "those crappy heads, anemic cam and even more anemic exhaust" with all the good stuff that they've never been able to utilize before due to the manifold restriction. How many TPI cars on here have changed heads, cams and exhaust with great results? No one berates the TPI cars though......
The 84 engine package is almost identical to the non-roller TPI setup, the main difference being the intake manifold. And since the runners on the CFI intake are much shorter than the TPI (but much longer than the LTx intakes) I'm guessing that the CFI cars are gonna really start surprising people in the next year as owners get "real" engines and engine mods going in them.
The 84 engine package is almost identical to the non-roller TPI setup, the main difference being the intake manifold. And since the runners on the CFI intake are much shorter than the TPI (but much longer than the LTx intakes) I'm guessing that the CFI cars are gonna really start surprising people in the next year as owners get "real" engines and engine mods going in them.
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I saw your other post in which you were asking for advice on seats.
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c4-t...o-to-hook.html
I was going to offer you some help...but posts like ^this^ prompted me to consider otherwise. Good luck!
MCM is right. Shortblocks are virtually identical '82-'86. A nice MID-LENGTH runner like the CFI packaging offers has far more potential than the LTR, "TPI looking" systems.
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What puddling problems are those? Tell us more about it please...along /wyour first hand experience and observations of this system which you've never had.
I saw your other post in which you were asking for advice on seats.
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c4-t...o-to-hook.html
I was going to offer you some help...but posts like ^this^ prompted me to consider otherwise. Good luck!
MCM is right. Shortblocks are virtually identical '82-'86. A nice MID-LENGTH runner like the CFI packaging offers has far more potential than the LTR, "TPI looking" systems.
I saw your other post in which you were asking for advice on seats.
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c4-t...o-to-hook.html
I was going to offer you some help...but posts like ^this^ prompted me to consider otherwise. Good luck!
MCM is right. Shortblocks are virtually identical '82-'86. A nice MID-LENGTH runner like the CFI packaging offers has far more potential than the LTR, "TPI looking" systems.
These new intakes only improve airflow yet retain all of CFI's original issues. From what I have seen all CFI people say with a better manifold I can beat a stock TPI. but if TPI is mod'ed CFI is left in the dust again. CFI is only marginally better then a carb,
I own a CFI car so I can say they are dissapointing in most aspects.
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Dude... YOU need to give it you, b/c you don't know WTF you're talking about...and this says it ALL, right here: ^That's good stuff right there^. For someone who supposedly owns a CFI car, you sure don't speak like you do. CFI Waxer, perhaps? You certainly haven't done anything MEANINGFUL to any CFI car...that much is obvious.
So which is it? And why? Do you know? No, you don't. I do though...
You don't think GM could have used a carb and still put a fancy, concealing Magnesium filter housing over the carb? Like the did over the CFI??
Once again...CITE YOUR SOURCE for your groundless claims. Where are you getting that information from? Why do you post on a subject which you clearly know nothing about? Instead of dredging up dubious historical claims and anecdotal examples, why don't you give us the technical reasons why a "full sized runner" CFI is any worse than any other SBC intake option. I can tell you one reason (but I won't b/c it'll just give you more ammo that you "heard from some guy").
YOU need to give it a rest and you need to b/c you don't know WTF you're talking about. You're spreading misinformation and it's bad for the forum.
You certainly haven't done anything MEANINGFUL to any CFI car...that much is obvious.YOU need to give it a rest and you need to b/c you don't know WTF you're talking about. You're spreading misinformation and it's bad for the forum.
Last edited by Tom400CFI; Jun 21, 2010 at 06:55 PM.
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Wow. An internet sourced pic of someone's CFI engine. Good one. Again, for someone claiming to own one, you are plenty chock full of "ignorant" on the subject. BTW, what IS that a picture of, exactly?
And yep...you didn't answer a single question I asked, nor did you back up any of your bogus claims. Just as I suspected.
Of course a '97 V6 Camaro beat your 84 'Vette. What does that prove in context of your bogus claims above? Nothing. You know a '10 V6 Camaro will smoke your '90 Vette, too? What does THAT prove? Nothing.
And yep...you didn't answer a single question I asked, nor did you back up any of your bogus claims. Just as I suspected.
Of course a '97 V6 Camaro beat your 84 'Vette. What does that prove in context of your bogus claims above? Nothing. You know a '10 V6 Camaro will smoke your '90 Vette, too? What does THAT prove? Nothing.
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Wow. An internet sourced pic of someone's CFI engine. Good one. Again, for someone claiming to own one, you are plenty chock full of "ignorant" on the subject. BTW, what IS that a picture of, exactly?
And yep...you didn't answer a single question I asked, nor did you back up any of your bogus claims. Just as I suspected.
Of course a '97 V6 Camaro beat your 84 'Vette. What does that prove in context of your bogus claims above? Nothing. You know a '10 V6 Camaro will smoke your '90 Vette, too? What does THAT prove? Nothing.
And yep...you didn't answer a single question I asked, nor did you back up any of your bogus claims. Just as I suspected.
Of course a '97 V6 Camaro beat your 84 'Vette. What does that prove in context of your bogus claims above? Nothing. You know a '10 V6 Camaro will smoke your '90 Vette, too? What does THAT prove? Nothing.
excuse me if I don't jump for joy over a aftermarket intake that with no other mods will barely do a thing, the ecm is a dog, the heads are boat anchors, the exhaust isn't even worth scrap, and the cam is better suited for a baseball bat, the dual toilet bowl injectors about equal as everything else on a L-83.You add all this up and the cost effectiveness verses dropping a LT1 LSx in is a cheaper less time consuming alternative. I'de drop a Lt1 in my 82 vette long before I would even loosen a bolt on it's L-83.
most people want instant bang for the buck and CFI can't do it. simple as that.
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isn't even a 84 vette ... it's a 1982 and don't bet that I don't own one because you will lose that bet excuse me if I don't jump for joy over a aftermarket intake that with no other mods will barely do a thing, the ecm is a dog, the heads are boat anchors, the exhaust isn't even worth scrap, and the cam is better suited for a baseball bat, the dual toilet bowl injectors about equal as everything else on a L-83.
You add all this up and the cost effectiveness verses dropping a LT1 LSx in is a cheaper less time consuming alternative. I'de drop a Lt1 in my 82 vette long before I would even loosen a bolt on it's L-83.
most people want instant bang for the buck and CFI can't do it. simple as that.
excuse me if I don't jump for joy over a aftermarket intake that with no other mods will barely do a thing, the ecm is a dog, the heads are boat anchors, the exhaust isn't even worth scrap, and the cam is better suited for a baseball bat, the dual toilet bowl injectors about equal as everything else on a L-83.You add all this up and the cost effectiveness verses dropping a LT1 LSx in is a cheaper less time consuming alternative. I'de drop a Lt1 in my 82 vette long before I would even loosen a bolt on it's L-83.
most people want instant bang for the buck and CFI can't do it. simple as that.
If you think it's that bad, maybe you should sell yours to someone who will appreciate it.
If you think that "dropping in an LT1 or LSx is easy/cheap/can be done by just about anyone", then you've obviously never done an engine swap yourself. 99% of the guys on this board (from what I've seen) don't have unlimited spare time, unlimited $$ and a big spare garage with air tools, plasma cutter, TIG welder and all the other tools required to do a swap correctly. I've seen more than 1 nice car that's been ruined by a halfway done swap that ends up on e-bay for dirt cheap with a description like $15,000 invested, sacrifice for $2,500 (yeah, great "investment" there buddy!) and still doesn't run.
I guess the big question is, why all the animosity? If you don't like the car, sell it and buy something else - get on with your life. Unless you just like being miserable.....
Not trying to inflame or be mean/rude, I just don't get the point of posting up a bunch of hateful comments.
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I was going to stay out of it but the 85 TPI only yielded what 235 hp over the 84 CFI 205hp which has been proven time and time again that a port job to increase the intake ports to the same size as the 85 TPI boost the hp to similar performance. So what makes the aftermarket Renegade any less desirable than the Edelbrock equivalent for the TPI?