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Old Jul 7, 2010 | 06:37 PM
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Would I warp my valves if I throw a set of cutouts between the headers and catalytic converters?
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Old Jul 7, 2010 | 06:40 PM
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Would I warp my valves if I throw a set of cutouts between the headers and catalytic converters?
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Old Jul 7, 2010 | 06:45 PM
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Cool thanks, I was reading under the honda forum (GOD KNOWS WHY!!) but they said it would warp your valves if you ran open headers, but go figure its a honda and its an import!!!
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Old Jul 7, 2010 | 10:13 PM
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Constantly running open headers will ruin your heads, brief sprints down a track will not.
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Old Jul 7, 2010 | 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by C4 Monster
if I throw a set of cutouts between the headers and catalytic converters?
I'm waiting to see where you are going to fit them; had a look under there???
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I'm waiting to see where you are going to fit them; had a look under there???
Yeah, I took a look and thats on my mind too, but with a little work I think it can be done.
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Old Jul 7, 2010 | 11:08 PM
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Would long tube hedders and an h pipe with no cats or mufflers burn the valves if it's what you always run
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Would long tube hedders and an h pipe with no cats or mufflers burn the valves if it's what you always run
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OK, I have to know where this comes from.



Post proof that running open headers will ruin valves or heads.

Originally Posted by surfer93
Constantly running open headers will ruin your hearing, brief sprints down a track will not.
Fixed.
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Originally Posted by C4 Monster
, but with a little work I think it can be done.
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/1570248307-post20.html

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/1570250956-post24.html

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thanks for the upload, I like what he did. I also read the post and I agree with him, I would like the corvette to run better with open headers rather than through the whole system, I do plan for a Tpis Miniram, Lt4 hot cam, 1.6rr, and possiably a new set of heads. I dont care if I lose some hp and mpg for daily driving running the car through the full exhaust system (truly restricting it) if I set it up to run "open" all the time because I hardly drive distance, but when I flip the switch to run open I would really like it to lay down rubber in the 1/4 mile
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Originally Posted by pablocruise
OK, I have to know where this comes from.



Post proof that running open headers will ruin valves or heads.


Fixed.
Ask any racer, engine needs a certain amount of back pressure.


But you go ahead and run open headers, I need a good laugh!!
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Originally Posted by surfer93
Ask any racer, engine needs a certain amount of back pressure.


But you go ahead and run open headers, I need a good laugh!!
John Force says no.
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@surfer93;

thats really what im after, just that breif run down the track, and I agree, im no engine builder, hell im 15! but I work and im willing to learn and iv noticed everyone running open headers at the 1/4 mile. Where is the back pressure there?

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Originally Posted by surfer93
Ask any racer, engine needs a certain amount of back pressure.


But you go ahead and run open headers, I need a good laugh!!
I'm asking you.

btw, I have run open headers. It was fun! Neighbors were not happy.
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sorry I miss read, I fixed my post
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Originally Posted by surfer93
Ask any racer, engine needs a certain amount of back pressure.
debateable
Read
http://www.uucmotorwerks.com/html_pr...torquemyth.htm

BACK PRESSURE

The amount of back pressure produced by the exhaust system is crucial as too much back pressure will restrict the flow rate of the exhaust gasses at high RPM. The result would be the engine not being able to expel the spent exhaust gasses fast enough to prevent spent exhaust gasses from contaminating the fresh air/fuel mixture that is drawn into the engine on the next intake stroke. Ultimately, this will result in reduced engine power!
If the exhaust pipe is too large, you will get reduced flow velocity of the exhaust gasses. The flow velocity of the exhaust gasses assists with the scavenging of the spent exhaust gasses as well as the amount of air/fuel mixture that can be drawn into the combustion chamber on the next intake stroke. This is because the flow velocity of the exhaust creates a low pressure immediately behind it that sucks more gasses out of the combustion chamber. The trick is thus to get the back pressure just right.

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Originally Posted by pablocruise
I'm asking you.

btw, I have run open headers. It was fun! Neighbors were not happy.
But you can't read, I said brief sprints are OK!!!

Constantly, is not!!
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For the 2nd time, please post info about how constantly running open headers ruins valves and heads.
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Old Jul 10, 2010 | 01:03 AM
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Originally Posted by rodj
debateable
Read
http://www.uucmotorwerks.com/html_pr...torquemyth.htm

BACK PRESSURE

The amount of back pressure produced by the exhaust system is crucial as too much back pressure will restrict the flow rate of the exhaust gasses at high RPM. The result would be the engine not being able to expel the spent exhaust gasses fast enough to prevent spent exhaust gasses from contaminating the fresh air/fuel mixture that is drawn into the engine on the next intake stroke. Ultimately, this will result in reduced engine power!
If the exhaust pipe is too large, you will get reduced flow velocity of the exhaust gasses. The flow velocity of the exhaust gasses assists with the scavenging of the spent exhaust gasses as well as the amount of air/fuel mixture that can be drawn into the combustion chamber on the next intake stroke. This is because the flow velocity of the exhaust creates a low pressure immediately behind it that sucks more gasses out of the combustion chamber. The trick is thus to get the back pressure just right.
Did not know that, but since I am old and seen many a car engined ruined running open headers.
But the burned valve effect I have read and heard about, is when there is to little back pressure and intake air gets past the exhaust valve cooling it before the cylinder fires and then cylinder heats up after firing, this over time causes burnt valves. But after reading the article, guess on newer engines it would not hve the same effect as carbed engines, seeing how the ECM can better manage fuel and air flow.
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