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Old Oct 30, 2010 | 02:05 PM
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2. Get '85+ fuel pump. '84 FP is a weak sister. The '85 FP will eliminate hesitation providing fuel filter is clean and injectors are OK.

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Wait a second, can you really do this?? The 85+ pumps were much higher pressure, that wouldn't cause a problem with the fuel pressure regulator or the rubber fuel lines of the '84!?
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Old Oct 30, 2010 | 06:22 PM
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Glad to hear you have no regets ! ! When do you expect the renegade??? Cant wait to hear how it works for you !
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Old Oct 30, 2010 | 06:48 PM
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Glad to hear you have no regets ! ! When do you expect the renegade??? Cant wait to hear how it works for you !
There is quite a queue for these apparently. Mine hasn't been born yet. The foundry is expected to give birth sometime around end of November. I think as a guess January.
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Old Oct 30, 2010 | 07:03 PM
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WOW ! ! ! I would think they would UP production.....I hope its worth the wait for you !
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Old Oct 30, 2010 | 07:18 PM
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I have an engine vibration issue to resolve in the meantime so it's not a big issue.
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Old Oct 31, 2010 | 03:30 AM
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Here's mine. It definitely works. The intake air temp sensor drops 20degC sometimes in a 1/4 mile run.

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Old Oct 31, 2010 | 03:37 AM
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Here's mine. It definitely works. The intake air temp sensor drops 20degC sometimes in a 1/4 mile run.

That's great to know. I was also thinking it might be worth while opening the hole in the hood a bit more.
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Old Oct 31, 2010 | 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by cwyates4
Wait a second, can you really do this?? The 85+ pumps were much higher pressure, that wouldn't cause a problem with the fuel pressure regulator or the rubber fuel lines of the '84!?
Yeah, this should have been job 1....or maybe job 15 but clearly at the top of the list when you first buy an '84. Sorry no one told you before now....
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In the picture, in front of the fan there is the radiator housing. Directly front of that is the air box. Notice the square hole in the air box. Also, notice the the hood meets the air box and the hole in the hood used to draw air. When the hood closes the the hole in the hood is directly over the hole in the air box drawing cold air. Normally '84s don't have that hole in the air box cutting off the air when the hood is closed. Really noticeable at wide open throttle (WOT).
As much as I think I know, I learn something new all the time....I just assumed that thing was flowing and I already had a factory CAI (Cold Air Intake).......I'll be using my dremmel later today after I get some weather stripping.
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Old Oct 31, 2010 | 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by cwyates4
Wait a second, can you really do this?? The 85+ pumps were much higher pressure, that wouldn't cause a problem with the fuel pressure regulator or the rubber fuel lines of the '84!?

The pressure remains unchanged, it is controlled by the regulator, not the pump.

The 85 pump has increased capacity, resulting in stable fuel pressure, where a tired 84 pump may not keep up at times.

My car was the same when I bought it and would barely run over ~20% throttle.


Lemme: If you need to do this, just grab a pump for a 6cyl VN Commodore, this is what I have been using for the last 8yrs without issue.
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Old Oct 31, 2010 | 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by ben73
The pressure remains unchanged, it is controlled by the regulator, not the pump.

The 85 pump has increased capacity, resulting in stable fuel pressure, where a tired 84 pump may not keep up at times.

My car was the same when I bought it and would barely run over ~20% throttle.


Lemme: If you need to do this, just grab a pump for a 6cyl VN Commodore, this is what I have been using for the last 8yrs without issue.
Thanks for the advice. Mine does go well off the mark and then peters out. Bit hard to know what's normal and what's not at the moment. Can't expect the stock 84 to be as quick as my 87.
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Pulled the pump from my '85 and slammed it in the '84, works like a charm! thanks fellas.
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Old Nov 1, 2010 | 01:25 AM
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Why did they design an airbox where the air can't get through to the intake?
They did it to stop rainwater from being sucked up into the hood ducts. The area in front of the radiator makes a good vacuum cleaner, and all sorts of stuff ends up in that spot. Not exactly the best chamber to get clean air for your engine. There is a gap between the panel being suggested for surgery and the hood intake duct for a more sanitary source for your intake air. Filling this gap with foam weatherseal assures more dirt and water into your air filter. This "fix" is okay for those that are fortunate enough to have clean roads and dry cruising weather!

Can anyone show us some improved performance specs because of this mod, or is it all theory?

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I have also read that it was related to water ingress.
Here is an interesting picture from some early literature, looks like they certainly intended to source cool air from there at one stage...

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It is pretty common in road race cars to suck cold air in from the front air dam close to the road surface. It obviously works. These cars run in the rain and run through sand pits without any major issues.

However, I think the air filter is at the front rather than back at the intake manifold.

So maybe it would be better to mount a panel filter in the cutout airbox and remove the one back at the aircleaner. Also it would work better/cleaner if the vette had air rammed in from the front where the licence plate is rather than sucking from underneath.

Another option could be a Hydro-shield pre-filter:

'"This durable polyester cover repels water while still allowing a free-flow of oxygen. The secret behind the Hydro Shield’s amazing success stems from its water repellent outer coating. It’s crafted using a sophisticated embedded hydrophobic process, which creates uniform rows of micron-sized pores. These openings filter out water and debris .005” or larger!You don’t have to worry about choking your engine, though. The Hydro Shield purifies the oxygen while still allowing steady airflow—and consistent airflow means rip-roaring horsepower and massive torque."

For me I don't intend driving on dirt tracks or in the rain.

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Old Nov 1, 2010 | 08:44 AM
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I marked the spot and used a Dremmel Moto drill. As far as the '85 FP goes. It produces a steady 56 psi to the FPR. The FPR should produce a STEADY 14 psi to the TBs. Not 13.8 or 13.9 but 14 PSI. No more hesitations - GONE. The '84 FP produces 19 PSI - a weak POS.
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