Dr.Huxtable's 396 engine build and more. Tons of pics
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No, I never assemble anything dry. The rings are preoiled, along with the pistons and cylinders. If you assemble the rings/pistons/cylinders dry, you will ruin them. One thing that helps the engines I do with a quick ring seat is the fact the cylinders were honed with deck plates. That will speed up the seating process. And the engine needs to see some cylinder pressure once it's running and the tune is safe.
There were some rings called Quick seaters. They were actually cheap cast rings that has no moly coatings. I never used them. I don't know if they are still around. I use Speed Pro moly rings in about everything I do.
There were some rings called Quick seaters. They were actually cheap cast rings that has no moly coatings. I never used them. I don't know if they are still around. I use Speed Pro moly rings in about everything I do.
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I guess everybody has their own idea's. I haven't had any issues getting the rings to seat. I think well oiled pistons/rings/cylinders is safer than minimizing the oil on them. One thing also is I use engine oil on those parts rather than assembly oil which is alot thicker. Maybe your machinist avoids assembly lube on them like I do. The Lucas assembly lube I use on everything else is almost like STP. It thicker and very sticky.
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Use oil,besides as soon as you start it oil will be splashing up there anyway. you need that initial protection.
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thanks willie
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K yeah thats what i thought. It took me like 2 min to slip a wrench up there so i really don't care about ease of install. but if it would help my times or strengthen the drive train I'd do it. zfdoc wants 189 plus shipping for them Thats half my new throttle body.
thanks willie
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I dont see how it will stiffen the drivetrain up at all.
Always someone out there to take your money.
one vendor may be good at one thing or have a good product but doesnt mean everything sold is beneficial. Gm woulda thought of it.
To each their own though.
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any other benefits besides ease of install? I know it will make it easier cause the nuts are welded into the plate. I'm a pretty good welder and it just seems like i could make that up myself. . . that is a plate with just the nuts welded on. I just don't see how they stiffen the beam? They seem too short and small to be effective. However, I don't know since I have never had these before. Just wondering from others experience how much they really help the drivetrain itself
Since you are a welder, why don't you just fab up your own.
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Sounds like a plan to me, they seem easy enough to make. I'll fab up some samples and post my results on here and give all my dimensions so others can benefit.
One thing i do want to get are these:
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c4-t...d-we-make.html
These i cannot make lol and i can def see a benefit of them
One thing i do want to get are these:
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c4-t...d-we-make.html
These i cannot make lol and i can def see a benefit of them
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Sounds like a plan to me, they seem easy enough to make. I'll fab up some samples and post my results on here and give all my dimensions so others can benefit.
One thing i do want to get are these:
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c4-t...d-we-make.html
These i cannot make lol and i can def see a benefit of them
One thing i do want to get are these:
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c4-t...d-we-make.html
These i cannot make lol and i can def see a benefit of them
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Yeah i was gonna say you got a solid rear end now but it's good to know they're worth it. Because of $$$ i'll prob get these next season. I'm just hoping i can get this baby all together and running and get some times in before the season is over! At least it lasts longer here in the south. open till Nov
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Keep us posted along the way.
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Well i started dropping the rear end out of that car. This a** needs a good cleaning
I'm gonna go through and replace all the bushings, look at a potential blown seal on one of the outer yokes of the dana 44, wire wheel and steel wool down everything so it's purty and then shoot either some 3M undercoating or truck bed liner on the whole under side. Might also put some longer bump stops in and look into some new shocks. Old ones have got to be pretty far gone. 117k and 22 years musta taken their toll. Brake pads are also gone so those will need replacing.
Let me know of anything else you can think of while i'm under there. I'd like to go over the D44 itself to make sure everything is nice and snug.
I'm gonna go through and replace all the bushings, look at a potential blown seal on one of the outer yokes of the dana 44, wire wheel and steel wool down everything so it's purty and then shoot either some 3M undercoating or truck bed liner on the whole under side. Might also put some longer bump stops in and look into some new shocks. Old ones have got to be pretty far gone. 117k and 22 years musta taken their toll. Brake pads are also gone so those will need replacing.
Let me know of anything else you can think of while i'm under there. I'd like to go over the D44 itself to make sure everything is nice and snug.
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Well i got the dana 44 out tonight completely and all tore down! Glad i'm going through it all, she def needs a good cleaning up and checking over. I think the seals are bad on the housing also looks like one of the wheel hubs is bad. Here's some pics:
Here's prob number 1. I don't think that's supposed to come apart like that Although the bearings themselves were in great shape. I'll prob just re pack them and use it for now. I replace it when i destroy it at the strip
Prob number 2, i think the outter seals are gone. Due to the oil all around them. Let me know if thats true or not. All the oil on the outside is older. nothing wet or recent lookin
Here's prob number 1. I don't think that's supposed to come apart like that Although the bearings themselves were in great shape. I'll prob just re pack them and use it for now. I replace it when i destroy it at the strip
Prob number 2, i think the outter seals are gone. Due to the oil all around them. Let me know if thats true or not. All the oil on the outside is older. nothing wet or recent lookin
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Corvette bearings are sealed, they dont open up for repacking. Did someone put an Fbody bearing in it?
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Hey guys the motor is pretty much done!!!
Jim degreed the cam tonight and found that it was only half a degree retarded! He told me that he had the cam made with 2 degrees advance so that leaves us with 1.5 degrees advance.
The push rod length was a hundredth over oem length but Jim is just so amazing that he happened to have a set of rods on hand just the right length!
Check this beast out!
Jim degreed the cam tonight and found that it was only half a degree retarded! He told me that he had the cam made with 2 degrees advance so that leaves us with 1.5 degrees advance.
The push rod length was a hundredth over oem length but Jim is just so amazing that he happened to have a set of rods on hand just the right length!
Check this beast out!
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But since it came apart like that when i say repack basically what i mean is i'm gonna pack some fresh grease in there since i have access and put her back together can only spend so much money at one time, got a motor build to finish!
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The engine looks good!!
I would NOT by any means put that bearing back together. they are not made to come apart and you are not helping yourself by just adding grease and shoving it back in. You could end up with major damage to your car the first trip you make with the new motor.
I would NOT by any means put that bearing back together. they are not made to come apart and you are not helping yourself by just adding grease and shoving it back in. You could end up with major damage to your car the first trip you make with the new motor.
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Thanks! Yeah i was looking at some new hubs this morning on rockauto.com
Not to terribly priced. Can't wait to get this motor here to me, Christmas is early this year
Not to terribly priced. Can't wait to get this motor here to me, Christmas is early this year
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Rock Auto has some well priced hubs, and they last just as long as the expensive ones on my road race car. about 2 weekend events. Street car and drag racing they will last a long time. Its the side loading they cant take.