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Old Jan 11, 2012 | 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by 88BlackZ-51
What about if its 25-30 hp? Would you care then?

I havent read anything yet that stats how much is lost when dealing with cars like ours in the 500-600chp level.

I highly doubt a dual exhaust with hi-flow cat would take that much out but if it did, I would be OK with it, until the next engine.
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Old Jan 11, 2012 | 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by LD85
I highly doubt a dual exhaust with hi-flow cat would take that much out but if it did, I would be OK with it, until the next engine.
Is this something that you will put on the dyno to see?

If so I am all ears and arms for that matter.
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Old Jan 11, 2012 | 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by LD85
I highly doubt a dual exhaust with hi-flow cat would take that much out but if it did, I would be OK with it, until the next engine.
Metallic cats (vs ceramic) will hurt the least. Magnaflow has these as does Random Tech (the reported "Cadillac" of cats). This is also what Mick refers to as a stainless core.

With metallic cats, there are fewer cells/inch. To compensate, manufactures add more catalyst (dip them more times?) during manufacturing.

Ceramic cats are closer to the 350cfm end while metallic are 450ish. That's in the Magnaflow line. I'm fairly sure RT claims higher flow numbers but I haven't looked recently.

With a dual 450cfm system, you'd have 900cfm system flow. Divided by 2.2cfm (Vizzard's ideal), you'll see it would support about 400HP.

If you have more than that, it could be beneficial to check out the RT cats. It kinda depends on how much higher than 400HP you really are.
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Old Jan 11, 2012 | 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by GREGGPENN
Metallic cats (vs ceramic) will hurt the least. Magnaflow has these as does Random Tech (the reported "Cadillac" of cats). This is also what Mick refers to as a stainless core.

With metallic cats, there are fewer cells/inch. To compensate, manufactures add more catalyst (dip them more times?) during manufacturing.

Ceramic cats are closer to the 350cfm end while metallic are 450ish. That's in the Magnaflow line. I'm fairly sure RT claims higher flow numbers but I haven't looked recently.

With a dual 450cfm system, you'd have 900cfm system flow. Divided by 2.2cfm (Vizzard's ideal), you'll see it would support about 400HP.

If you have more than that, it could be beneficial to check out the RT cats. It kinda depends on how much higher than 400HP you really are.
I emailed Random , anxiously waiting for a return, I'm hoping the FAST does the job, but wont know for at least a month or so.
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Old Jan 11, 2012 | 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by 88BlackZ-51
Mick, Larry, Joe etc........

If you talk to Jim he will mention that cats really take power away (sort to speak).

Are you concerned of this at all Larry? Maybe the FAST will hit the tune more spot on, and eliminate a bit of that smell that both of us are not too found of.....
I'm not that concerned...

It is getting progressively harder to get a car without CATs inspected, and I just didn't want the hassle.

Besides, it's a blast to pull into the pits on the trailer and see the competition looking the car over, then beating the snot out of them with a "true" street-legal car.

If GM can get 500+ HP out of a C6 with all the environmental equipment on them, so can we. My 427 SBC will be closer to the 700 FWHP mark, and I'll STILL run it through CATs...and a full 3" exhaust system (I might add).

I can always see it in their eyes when I go to the inspection station. A rumbling Corvette not at all stock. They get into the pit to look under it and the CATs are there and they just come out with a little smile on their faces.

That alone is worth it to me to keep it legal.
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I have seen 20-25 hp differences on the dyno on some of the stroker motors I have built over the years, with and without cats. A cat is still a restriction. These are 500+ hp engines.
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Originally Posted by tpi 421 vette
I have seen 20-25 hp differences on the dyno on some of the stroker motors I have built over the years, with and without cats. A cat is still a restriction. These are 500+ hp engines.
of course it is a restriction, I am not concerned about HP loss, my days of squeezing every last single HP and TQ number are over. With that said,, if the FAST gives me the result I am looking for, then I wont put a cat on.
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Originally Posted by 1991Z07
He's got factory GM hangers on the back...you can see the springs on them in the photo. They are located at the 3rd member, just inside the camber adjustment bolts.

I'd guess he used the same factory mounts at the trans for the exhaust system. Bolts right onto the trans and holds it up at the front.

I think my hangers ran me $40...
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