Motor is in a 92 camaro but has never been started. I need to figure out what I need to bolt a 2pc rms into a i pc rms car

1970 010 block, 4 bolt main

2 650 edelbrock carburetors (what would I lose if i disconnected the tpi?)

Keith black forged pistons 8/1 compression

Weiand dual quad ram intake (any chance that fits under my hood?)

Eagle 4340 nitride treated forged crank

Eagle 4340 forged h beam rods

1.6 roller rockers

Aluminum heads (no brand yet) 202 and 160 valves

Crane cam (working on the grind nuber)
67-87 flat tappet
camshaft #WG1064 (Crane grind# 300-2H). .488/.510 lift, 234*/244* duration @ .05, and 112* lobe separation
300/310 advertised duration.

NOS 250 kit

Solid motor mounts

2 pairs long tube headers (camaro)

All accessories and brackets (from a 92 camaro)

Said he was setting the motor up to run 15 lbs boost and the 250 nitrous shot

He said, and I confirmed that the speed shop (rocket racing in Wisconsin) burned down In January, so the build sheet is not available, trying to piece it together from what receipt’s he has
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Will my acesories and brackets bolt to this block?
Can I use the old style cam with my computer or will I have to keep the carbs or upgrade the cam?

Id prefer to keep it tpi if posible, and sell off the carbs and intake, then i just have to wonder if my tpi bolts to older style heads?

He claims its supposed to make 500 horses NA, and that he paid 9k for parts and labor, and its never been run, build completed in early December.
Ive offered him $4500
I am supposed to give him a deposit tonight and do a road trip to pick it up on Friday.





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and I am hoping to have a scary ride, jsut need to make sure I am going to be able to make all the parts work one way or the other, even if I have to go.....uhg carburetors.

Either way I will likely sell the NOS, im not a fan of huge RPMS or go juice

 

For around 4500 you could do this.

 

ch@os, what kind of HP/TQ potential is in one of the LS1's

 

Just a cam will get you 400 RWHP. My engine made 380 RWHP in an F-body with a bad tune.
The LS series are very easy to get HP out of.

 

.........How long does it take to do that ???

 

I will drive my car to your house with $4500 in my pocket.

If you can get the parts and get it installed for $4500 and if it dynos at 450 horse after a tune, and it has an all forged bottom end that I can later on pump 12 lbs of boost into and end up with 650+ horse I will give you a $200 tip.

I have been looking, 4 grand buys a decent forged short block and not a lot else.

with this deal I get a professionally assembled full forged bottom end with keithblack forged dished pistons, aftermarket aluminum heads that supposedly cost over two grand and the left over carb (and maybe cam) parts to sell. I can hen sell my 1000 mile rebuilt motor complete from throttle body to oil pan.

after getting the motor and leftover pieces sold, i can buy my alcky system, fuel pump and injectors, and the piping for the supercharger i already have, and hook it up to run 8 lbs of boost until i save some more money and can upgrade the pulley system.

retrofiting a roller cam in there looks costly though, would be nice if i could run it with the flat tappet for a while.

 

I'm not going to say its easy but its worth it physically it was easy. i'm doing my own harness, if you pay someone $350 bucks that part is done for you. Until recently some people had done it. Now there are lots swaps and we are determined to help others do the same. I could have easily rebuilt my 400 CHP L98 but I decided I wanted something better with more potential. There used to be a lot of naysayers but LS based motors are cheap now with great potential.
Ck these out
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c4-t...x-my-swap.html
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c4-g...lsx-swaps.html

 

That sounds like a great plan Believe me if I could spend all day everyday doing LS swaps I would.. My wife would not approve tho.
I do see your point, I talked myself out of a LSX the first time around. I'm not going to argue that it was easy or cheap but it will pay off in the end. And my bottom end is forged BTW. With the offset of all my parts sold I have like 3K in it so far. I hope not to spend much more and when I'm done i will have A/C and get 20+ MPG.

 

Out of pocket cost may be that but the hundreds of hours and attention to detail that chaos put into that baby is priceless. I think he would want more than a $200 "tip"

 

I have nothing but respect for what he has done, it looks awesome, and i KNOW how much easier it is to make HP with those motors. I considered an ls swap, but the reality is it is out of my reach.



I REALLY would like to know if i can run a flat tappet cam with my TPI and computer though and maybe the couple other questions I asked if anyone knows and is feeling helpful

 

Thank you, I don't know what year your TPI is but if its a roller ther is no reason to go fat tapped. Do a search and copy a known good combo.
I think we are officially thread jackers now.

 

If you put that cam (234 244 duration) with 8:1 compression, you won't even get 300 hp.

 

Need to get some specifics on teh heads too
Brand? PN? Anything done to them?
As it sits not sure Id believe 500hp just yet.

Hold off on grabbing it til you know more.

That tunnel ram wont fit under your hood.
You should send it my way lol.

 

I am hammering him hard for info and have held off on a deposit, i do not want to waste my money again.

after running a compression calc i figure compression at 9 to 1


pistons appear to be icon by KB

the ends of the heads with the 3 bolt holes each look like 113 heads, and the valves on the receipt he sent me a picture of by text are...... 1.94 and 1.50..........

I am having trouble locating any aftermarket aluminum head using that combination of valve and 76 cc combustion chamber.

the blue racer cam apparently used to be a solid cam, once upon a time, but not any more.

I am thinking this guy got screwed, or is trying to screw me.
starting to think the heads are no name ebay knockoffs.

I learned my lesson about going in with money and trust LOL I am going in with a plan, and knowledge or I am not going in at all...

and I appreciate the help and experience that can be found on this forum, Wish I had come here before buying my car or rebuilding my motor

 

I think I would pass on that one or hold off til you know EVERYthing
4500 bux is a big chance to take. Why doesnt he want it???.
Thats an age old grind blue racer cheapest name brand out there. Not that they are bad just..
A 113 head with that size valve is believeable but not with that chamber size. Somethings up. Again no way in hell its gonna make that kind of power. Throw enough juice to it you can but then what?

Maybe a little bit of both .

 

cam isnt a HUGE deal, was thinking to retrofit a roller anyhow, just a little reluctant to spend another $600 on it right off, and would have preferred to run the flat tappet for a year or two

actual compression ratio matters, as I am only doing it so i can run bigger boost, or i could just spend a couple grand on my motor and get to 400 horse.

and the heads most definitely matter, if they are no name knock offs he can keep them, I am not interested, I will go find a 400 block and watch for sales on forged internals and run a 434

for 4 grand i can put together a top rank 434 forged shortblock, then save a few months and get a new set of heads

I also jsut found out he had the block bored 60 over, not sure I am real impressed with that at all.

 

Forget it man. 060 over with plenty of boost and N20
Bomb waiting to happen

Get yourself a Dart block see tpi421vette about the rest.
It will handle whatever youll throw at it.
Dont bother with a GM block for what you want to do it will yank the entire main webbing right out of it.

 

I have a line on a full forged Motown short block with all top of the line parts.

IF it checks out i will start a new thread, its a bit over my budget.... BUT

its 454 CI and is already painted red

 

I've been asking questions like this for past few weeks. The ls is way more expensive to swap from what I've learned. Im with you. But the engine in question has too many ifs. There is a 500hp beast long block on racing junk right now under the road racing engine section that looks to kill the engine you are thinking of. Its also listed for 3300.

 

Lotta good deals, toys for sale out there right now with the economy the way it is. Will be lots more in So Cal with our tracks closing too. Just lost Irwindale and Fontana this last mo

Just take a real close look. Some is cobbled together stuff looking for a sucker someone pieced together some is good. Lots of junk on Cl with fancy worded ads so be weary.

That cam sounds like the old Edelbrock RPM grind. With a 113 head doubt it would make 400hp.