I saked this on the tech forum ,but thought I should have posted here I'm thinking about havinga procharger supercharger installed on my stock 93. The place that would do the install sells both Vortech and Procharger says for my application I should go with the procharger. I'm 60+ years old and don't bracket race, but love the sound and look of the superchargers. The question is will my car still be streetable. and one member said the Vortech is better. The fellow that runs the shop where I would be taking it said that the good thing about a supercharger is you don't lose the streetability , what do you guys think thanks Jim.

 

To make a long story short, your car will be very streetable. I would guess that the member that made that statement does not have a blower on his car let alone owned blowers from both companies. If you wait long enough several others with out blowers or blowers bought but not installed will give more advice. Regardless the best advice is to follow the installers instructions and recomendations as he is the one doing the install.

Art

 

Hi, my ATI procharger shipped out today!!!!!!!WHEWHOO!!!!!! I will let you know how it goes....I'm going to try and have it on for next weekend. :reddevil

 

Jim,

I drive my vette everyday and i have no problems with it...i have a 10 lb pully and i am running with procharger on my 1991 vette. If you are really interested i would call these guys...and ask for JASON--> http://www.goldenwestperformance.com Jason works for procharger and he has 500hp vettes that are daily drivers. But i really like my charger and i am very happy! Keep in mind with a charger you are running in vacuum mode and when you step on it you go into boost so on a daily driver you are running on the motor till you stomp your foot into the floor and off you go!

 

Awesome! Scott you gotta keep us posted, I gotta '92 and I want to put a procharger on as well. If you don't mind I'd like to learn the process from you, not that think it will be too difficult for you either. :cool: :cheers:

 

:D

 

Jim.... go for it! That whine is music to the ears and can give you that 'superiority complex' very easily. No probs with streetability as long as you don't go wild with an excessive cam. You will love it. I am still wavering on the Carroll LT4 unit... but I know it's coming :D
I'm no youngster either but just knowing it's there is worth a 10 year kick-back!

Terry

 

:mad :mad Well I just got my 95 back from having a Vortech installed also Tpis long tube headers and new trick flow heads. I am about to tear it all off. :mad :crazy: So far out of the 5 days I have had it back it was only driveable for 3.5 days. Nice weekend with lot of car shows and things to do and my vette sits in the driveway leaking oil from somewhere and spraying coolent all over under the hood. :smash: :mad I fixed the the coolent problem but the smoking from the oil leak has not been found. Oh I almost forgot about the electrical problems-- rear compartment lighs that stay on and drain the battery and dash lights that blow fuses. :cry :cry Thanks for letting me vent, I hope your install goes better :yesnod: Makes me sick to have spent thousands of dollars on a car that worked perfect to now have it be not running and unreliable. :U :U


[Modified by 95Purple, 3:26 PM 6/9/2002]

 

I'm having problems with my sc install also.......oil leaking from the rear of the engine in huge amounts...........changed valve cover, intake manifold gaskets, checked pressure lines............vented the valve covers and its sitting in the garage leaking oil.......I'm just sick about it...Its got to be the intake gasket blow out but I just changed it last weekend.....dam.... Let me know were yours is leaking and good luck :mad
leadfoot

 

well I found my leak..........not enough silicone, I though I was putting plenty on it but after removing the intake again it wasn"t sealing which makes me very happy........I though it was blowby glowing the gasket out.......let me tell you there is a big gape between the manifold and block at least 1/4 inch.........and I'm getting very good at removing the intake system........I'm happy now......leadfoot

 

Well I just dropped my car off at the place that installed it so I will know soon. It looks like its leaking at the back by the oil sending unit or the intake. Glad you found your problem, let me know how it all works out when its back on the road.

 

Tell me what the oil leakage is and the antifreeze! i had a problem with antifreeze but i blew the radiator!

 

The coolant leak was from a sensor hole in the head that was plugged poorly. They used a 1/2 to 1/8 reducer bushing. Then put a 1/8 hose barb into that with a rubber push on plug over the barb. You know the kind you would use on a vacuum. I have not yet called them about the oil leak yet or the electrical problems. :rolleyes:

 

Heh Jim D,
Just jumping aroud from the C1 & C2 Forum and saw your post. I see you put it up on 5/30/02 so I'm a little late with my post here.

I have an 86 With a Carroll Super charge kit . Carroll Started this whole thing with Supercharging Vetts. He was the first one with a complete kit.
It contains a Vortec Supercharger. There are a lot of chargers out there claming this and that but the Vortec is the most reliable in my opinion. Mine has been on the 86 fo well over 7 years with not a lick of trouble. Like it was mentioned in another post, you are under vacume until you step down on the loud pedal and the motor starts to lose air flow volume that's when the blower will start to pressureize the intake. Other wise your car will run as it allways does.

The Carroll kit uses a water injection system to cool the inlet charge to help prevent detonation. This is a plus not a minus as other mfg's will tell you. Water injection was used in WW 11 in a lot of fighter aircraft to make the air charge denser and to up the HP of the motors. Belive it or not the water injection cleans the carbon from the top's of the piston's and cyl heads. On hot summer days when I want to launch the car of the line I simply rase the rev's and hit the water on which cools down the intake system and gives me that extra boost. So don't let them tell you that water injection is a cruch or poor mans way of helping the blower system.

My Vett runs greate and idols great with no problems. This is the best dollar for HP invetsment you can make. Be fore you by the Procharger or Paxton which I would stay away from because of the fact that they don't tell you that it has to be re built every so many miles because of the Ball drive system, go to Carrolls web site and seee for your self. His kits are the highest Quality of any other kit.

Go To Carroll's site wit this link and read about Water Injection, Then look around his site,I think you will enjoy it.

http://www.carrollsupercharging.com/index2.html

Click on gaseous Intercooling

If you need more info on supercharging email me and I would be glad to share more info.

Regards : Mark :flag


[Modified by Viet Nam Vett, 12:46 AM 6/13/2002]


[Modified by Viet Nam Vett, 12:48 AM 6/13/2002]


[Modified by Viet Nam Vett, 12:49 AM 6/13/2002]

 

Go for it... I installedmy vortech V1 over the past thanksgiving... I have about 2000 miles on it, I installed the system myself... this is not for the faint of heart , however, I'm quite mechanically and electronically inclined. I have managed to merger the best of all three, I have the Carroll Superpumper and Superfueler, I agree with viet nam vette... Carroll Supercharger they have great stuf and are very good with customer service... The Vortech V1 S trim, and I just ordered the ATI air / air intercooler system... which has been on backorder for almost a month :rolleyes:

I have run over 200 tests at a local airport and have managed to keep things together. I'm waiting to get the intercooler so I can return my PCM back to the stock timing :D and not be concerned wth the dreaded knock retard and detonation.

I would be as bold to say make sure you get an intercooler from either Carroll or ATI... I live in southern Califoria where the temperatures run in excess of 100 degrees. There is a lot of comfort knowing that you can mash the throttle if the moment occurs with out looking into your rear view mirror wondering what is going to come out of the exhaust...

In terms of drive ability... I'm getting a combined 25.3 miles per gallon :D with 400 plus horsepower :yesnod:

Whine... yes i have found it to be the most intimadating factor when someone pulls up next to me ... just wondering ... whats the whistling all about :D

Hey install it and enjoy... I as well would behappy to share my experiences oranswer any questions as well

Mo


[Modified by Mo_Bandy, 4:08 AM 6/16/2002]

 

Well for my application, all i can say was I ****ed UP!!! I should have never gotten a SC. My car now sits in my garage and i have no ambition to work on it at all!! This really sucks when people ask you where it is! I don't know what happened but i developed a miss last nov. Well recently i did a compression test and found that cylinders 3 and 5 are at 15psi :cry I did cylinder 7 just for fun, it was 200! So i'm not saying the SC caused this, but i know it didn't help! I never even got to run it at the track(and i don't think i ever will) The guy that installed it said that he believes the head gasket let go in between the cylinders! Well if it did, the SC is gone!! I'm taking it off and i'll be exploring with N20! I think with nitrous i can still have the driveabilty and realiabilty that I did not have with the SC I was afraid to drive almost anywhere, and i only put about 1000 miles on a year. Feel free to make offers on my SC(p600b H.O.) I guess if you have a stock or near stock engine etc. with a Procharger you should be ok. This is just my recent situation so i'm kinda :mad :U :U I'm going to go :U again!!! GooD Luck

 

Your experience sounds similar to mine. With a P-600B HO (I assume the Ho stands for high output or 12 psi), the system will realistically put out about 8-9 psi on a modded motor.

In an '87 roadster, I was running 11.2:1 compression, but with a conservative tune (read as rich). 350 ci, 11.2:1, AFR195RR, large cam, P-600B, Superram, ect. I kept running low 11's, but with high 120 MPH. So I started tuning more aggressively (pulling out fuel on the top), and started seeing more power (had to get into the 10's with a street car!!!). The car was very streetable and very quick. I began to notice that the PCV would lift from the driver's valvecover. Obvious next step, take it to the track! Made one good pass (11.0X @ 129+). Made a 2nd pass. Car filled with smoke in 3rd gear, and I barely got the car stopped by the timeslip booth (ran like 12.2 @ 82) as I bailed (I thought it was on fire). Turns out the PCV had come out again and pumped serious smoke under the hood through the vent (I always have on vent when racing) into the passenger compartment. The car had a serious miss. Next day, found one cylinder with 0 psi, (2) cylinders with less than 30 psi, and the rest all at like 185-195. I had lifted the ring lands (lots of aluminum beads on the plugs and chunks of piston throughout motor. Amazingly, car still ran and drove. High compression and the smallest pulley for the P-600B (8 psi) just don't mix!

What to do? Replaced the P-600B with a D-1, built a fully forged 9.4:1 408ci all billet motor with great heads, large cam, and MRII. The new combo is great, just need to replace the computer system. I do not trust taking the motor past about 6000 due to the computer control. FAST is in my future.

Nothing beats the feel that a SC provides. I have run Vortech (via Carrol), another Vortech directly from Vortech, and ATI. In my opinion, the ATI has been the best system to date. And I am in the process of building another project, but with better heads (18°), more cubes, larger blower, and a much better flowing intake than the MRII (Ron's ported Chevy, modified to EFI).

Best of Luck with getting your car back together. I do think long term you will have to reduce compression to have reliability.

Aaron