MAT reading high when engine cold.
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Racer
Joined: Apr 2013
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From: Guilford NY
MAT reading high when engine cold.
usually reads 185 degF or even 203, on a bone cold engine at 60 deg. Now i run car and do a datalog, and the temp SLOWLY cools down, to maybe like 150 by the time i get to work. and the engine temp is up to around normal, like 200. So today i pulled the plenum, and looked at the MAT sensor, reads normal about 3k ohm at room temp. Took a heat gun to it and the resistance went down as it is supposed to. I even checked a few other sensors from my Camaro, and they read the same. I even bought a new MAT from dealer, thinking this one is bad. Gonna take that back if i can.
Now i know there a few tables on the MAT, and it is a VERY important part of fuel calc in a speed density system. I even put in my stock memcal/chip, and checked the cold engine temp, and it was still 185!
WTF? i thought i did something wrong in my one PROM.
Need help!
o this is 90 L98 car, with 727 ecm, and $8D def file.
Now i know there a few tables on the MAT, and it is a VERY important part of fuel calc in a speed density system. I even put in my stock memcal/chip, and checked the cold engine temp, and it was still 185!
WTF? i thought i did something wrong in my one PROM.
Need help!
o this is 90 L98 car, with 727 ecm, and $8D def file.
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Racer
Joined: Apr 2013
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From: Guilford NY
I am really hoping this sensor is bad......
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Racer
Joined: Apr 2013
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From: Guilford NY
Ok, this is what i just found.
Tried 2 different used sensors, both read about 160 deg, with cold engine.
Connected several resistance values across the MAT connector.
Short = -40 degF
150ohm = 45 F
681ohm = 104 F
1200ohm = 130 F
10kohm = 253 F
47.5kohm = 361 F
open = 392 F
Seems backwards compared to what i should have, in the table.
So do i have the wrong sensor? or maybe it is the wrong ECM? It has been changed, i think it is 1227727 model.
Also, checked for 5 volts on one side of the MAT connector, open ckt, and it was good. And with the 681 ohm resistor, i had about 2.02 volts across it.
My FSM says these MAT sensors are the same as the CTS.
Tried 2 different used sensors, both read about 160 deg, with cold engine.
Connected several resistance values across the MAT connector.
Short = -40 degF
150ohm = 45 F
681ohm = 104 F
1200ohm = 130 F
10kohm = 253 F
47.5kohm = 361 F
open = 392 F
Seems backwards compared to what i should have, in the table.
So do i have the wrong sensor? or maybe it is the wrong ECM? It has been changed, i think it is 1227727 model.
Also, checked for 5 volts on one side of the MAT connector, open ckt, and it was good. And with the 681 ohm resistor, i had about 2.02 volts across it.
My FSM says these MAT sensors are the same as the CTS.
Thread Starter
Racer
Joined: Apr 2013
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From: Guilford NY
Well i think i figured it out finally. Bad data from scan tool.
Been using my old standbye scan tool by Ease Diagnostics, had it long time, know it well and easy to use. So last night i got the correct files downloaded for TunerPro RT, and had a chance to try it late this pm. I didnt fire the engine, but with key on and connected, found the MAT to be within 2 degC of the coolant temp. Now the data stream was kind of skipping in/out, and the screen was flickering, but i see enough data to convince me the MAT was reading correct.
I havent used Tpro very much, and i dont think it is setup perfect for my app, but i will be using it more very soon!
The EASE tool i have had since 99, it is very basic but does all GM OBD1 from 82-95. But not much support for that anymore, if any.
I just love troubleshooting a non-issue!
Now the car will go back togethor, and the new MAT sensor i bought will go back to the dealer. Time to datalog!
Been using my old standbye scan tool by Ease Diagnostics, had it long time, know it well and easy to use. So last night i got the correct files downloaded for TunerPro RT, and had a chance to try it late this pm. I didnt fire the engine, but with key on and connected, found the MAT to be within 2 degC of the coolant temp. Now the data stream was kind of skipping in/out, and the screen was flickering, but i see enough data to convince me the MAT was reading correct.
I havent used Tpro very much, and i dont think it is setup perfect for my app, but i will be using it more very soon!
The EASE tool i have had since 99, it is very basic but does all GM OBD1 from 82-95. But not much support for that anymore, if any.
I just love troubleshooting a non-issue!
Now the car will go back togethor, and the new MAT sensor i bought will go back to the dealer. Time to datalog!
