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The shop should have a frame dimension book that's more comprehensive than the FSM but tell the shop you're very interested in having all of the suspension points confirmed with a "tram-gauge" - measured left to right and crossed it assures that things are where they need to be. You would be measuring from a right fixed point front of wheel at frame to left suspension components and then left to right and front ball-joints X'd to a common suspension component in the rear. Frame books will have several options. Lower left ball joint to maybe right shock mount and then right to left. Those are examples only. Your concern isn't frame damage but just making sure components are where they belong and "equal" on your car left to right and front to rear.
They'll do the hub-bearing with no questions asked I'd think but I doubt there's actually any damage. Really hard to confirm unless it's a tremendous impact. They take a pretty good blow and the wheel broke so even less likely.
They'll do the hub-bearing with no questions asked I'd think but I doubt there's actually any damage. Really hard to confirm unless it's a tremendous impact. They take a pretty good blow and the wheel broke so even less likely.
If so, I'd only need a side fender panel. And, I can probably "buff-out" everything else. (Here's where everyone can say "That'll buff out!" LOL
I asked the shop manager about your post above...and the tram-guage measurements. He said he'd put it on the frame machine if I wanted. OTOH, he felt that a successful 4-wheel alignment PLUS the lack of visible damage elsewhere would provide reasonable indication that a serious issue exists.
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An impact to the rear wheels is likely the most frequent cause of damage to the c-beam mounts on both the differential and the transmission which is overlooked until it becomes an issue. It may take very close inspection at the webbing on the differential and the extension on the transmission is substantially lesser material. The housing needs inspected quite closely around the pinion seal portion of the housing also.
I'm quite confident that the two catastrophic failures I've seen of the pinion end of the D44 quite likely started from damage to this area of the differential housing.
Your impact to the rear wheels doesn't sound like it was a direct "side impact" so maybe you'll be fortunate. Look closely and "good luck" with the claim and financial recovery.
I'm quite confident that the two catastrophic failures I've seen of the pinion end of the D44 quite likely started from damage to this area of the differential housing.
Your impact to the rear wheels doesn't sound like it was a direct "side impact" so maybe you'll be fortunate. Look closely and "good luck" with the claim and financial recovery.
See a lawyer and do not pay him until after the case is settled.
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I've been told the insured had $10k coverage from USAA. He hit two of us. The other "victim's" damage is about $2k. Mine was written up as $8k. But, that didn't include any potential supplement if issues are found once wheels are mounted and everything is carefully checked. The other car has slight potential for supplementation (once they see crash bumper underneath). It LOOKS like a mild bump on their car though.
USAA say they will be offering $8k once they get the other party to agree on $2k. If they refuse both of us will be eligible to wait until all repairs are done AND rental fees are added in while work is performed. Both totals would be compared to see if/what deviation from the 80/20 split of the $10k might be. They'd adjust according to that percentage. That means things could go up/down a couple hundred for either party. IMO not worth haggling over...but the "other" damaged car is owned by youngsters. They may want every dime.
The bad part is I've been told I'll be forced to sign an agreement NOT to seek additional damage from the USAA client -- to accept my $8k payment. And, if I don't, I will get nothing unless/until I sue. Even then, it sounds like insurance would recuse themselves from responsibility and force me to obtain any/all funds directly from the jerks' personal assets.
Is this fair/right? Can USAA pull this SH$T? I am royally pissed -- even if it turns out that repairs can be completed with the $8k. For example, I've already decided to take less expensive routes for repair -- planning on the unseen/unforeseen.
Oh yeah...Now I think USAA insurance are butt-wipes -- like the guy who hit me.
USAA say they will be offering $8k once they get the other party to agree on $2k. If they refuse both of us will be eligible to wait until all repairs are done AND rental fees are added in while work is performed. Both totals would be compared to see if/what deviation from the 80/20 split of the $10k might be. They'd adjust according to that percentage. That means things could go up/down a couple hundred for either party. IMO not worth haggling over...but the "other" damaged car is owned by youngsters. They may want every dime.
The bad part is I've been told I'll be forced to sign an agreement NOT to seek additional damage from the USAA client -- to accept my $8k payment. And, if I don't, I will get nothing unless/until I sue. Even then, it sounds like insurance would recuse themselves from responsibility and force me to obtain any/all funds directly from the jerks' personal assets.
Is this fair/right? Can USAA pull this SH$T? I am royally pissed -- even if it turns out that repairs can be completed with the $8k. For example, I've already decided to take less expensive routes for repair -- planning on the unseen/unforeseen.
Oh yeah...Now I think USAA insurance are butt-wipes -- like the guy who hit me.
The opponent in my 86 case tried to say that, I sued him directly, his insurance initially said they would not pay. Then his insurance settled for him on my number. Stick firm to any number you set.
Personally I think 8K will be plenty to pay for your damage but that is your call.
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If there's any significant (unseen) damage to the drivetrain, you KNOW that could be high. But, I hope not.
I'm also a bit concerned about paint match. My car was completely repainted in 2007 (20k miles ago). It was painted before the shop converted to water-based paints. I wonder about longevity and match both. The shop suggested I call paint suppliers and see if I can track down a local shop that still shoots thinner-based Sikkens paint.
Having the stigma of damage on a CarFax can't' be good either. I think it's hard to put a value on this sort of thing.
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Hopefully they will come good to restore your sweet ride to its former glory..
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I'm finally getting close JUST TO GETTING PAID! That's right, I'm still waiting on payment from USAA.
Part of the reason is the pawltry coverage by the culprit. Part of the reason is an overt lack of effort and competence by USAA. I am thoroughly disgusted by USAA's: feet-dragging, inablity to execute, and talking out the sides of their mouths. Their stories changed too often -- making it obvious my claim was low on their scale of importance. Really, that they have trouble knowing what to do too!
Or...maybe they are like your other typical government "ineptities" -- where they just have trouble competing with private-sector timelines. Naw...they just aren't very good! I would never own their insurance!
That said, my luck continues. After paying $3500 from my own pocket, I've had the car back on the road for a couple of months. Yesterday, I got it out because the weather is finally improving.
Guess what!? A deer decided to throw itself at my car! I hit the sucker square-on. It ran out from between two houses in my neighorhood. Yup...in the city.
I don't think it did much ADDITIONAL damage though it did break the passenger side headlight assembly. I clipped it's legs out and it rolled completely over the roof of the car!
I can't see much more paint damage (other than the headlight).
Does that mean I'm getting luckier about being unlucky!
Part of the reason is the pawltry coverage by the culprit. Part of the reason is an overt lack of effort and competence by USAA. I am thoroughly disgusted by USAA's: feet-dragging, inablity to execute, and talking out the sides of their mouths. Their stories changed too often -- making it obvious my claim was low on their scale of importance. Really, that they have trouble knowing what to do too!
Or...maybe they are like your other typical government "ineptities" -- where they just have trouble competing with private-sector timelines. Naw...they just aren't very good! I would never own their insurance!
That said, my luck continues. After paying $3500 from my own pocket, I've had the car back on the road for a couple of months. Yesterday, I got it out because the weather is finally improving.
Guess what!? A deer decided to throw itself at my car! I hit the sucker square-on. It ran out from between two houses in my neighorhood. Yup...in the city.
I don't think it did much ADDITIONAL damage though it did break the passenger side headlight assembly. I clipped it's legs out and it rolled completely over the roof of the car!
I can't see much more paint damage (other than the headlight).
Does that mean I'm getting luckier about being unlucky!
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This past week my cat starting peeing/crapping everywhere EXCEPT his box too. Cost me $133 at the vet to find out nothing medically is wrong with the beast. The verdict is he needs kitty prozac to deal with the fact I have a girlfriend -- and am bringing new smells into his life. FCKR!!!
Didn't get to taste it (her). Had the audacity to run off and not say "I'm sorry!" or "Ooops!" either.
Guess I should be happy there was not bigass antlers to gouge everything up!
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Why do I keep thinking about those "Mayhem" insurance commericials! LOL Now that I think about it, that deer was pink AND it had a dog collar! LOL
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USAA was carried by the person who hit me last September. I carry another company. I also carry $1k deductible so the deer "decorations" will be coming out of my pocket.
Why do I keep thinking about those "Mayhem" insurance commericials! LOL Now that I think about it, that deer was pink AND it had a dog collar! LOL
Why do I keep thinking about those "Mayhem" insurance commericials! LOL Now that I think about it, that deer was pink AND it had a dog collar! LOL
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Hee Haw! That's about right. LOL
This past week my cat starting peeing/crapping everywhere EXCEPT his box too. Cost me $133 at the vet to find out nothing medically is wrong with the beast. The verdict is he needs kitty prozac to deal with the fact I have a girlfriend -- and am bringing new smells into his life. FCKR!!!
Didn't get to taste it (her). Had the audacity to run off and not say "I'm sorry!" or "Ooops!" either.
Guess I should be happy there was not bigass antlers to gouge everything up!
This past week my cat starting peeing/crapping everywhere EXCEPT his box too. Cost me $133 at the vet to find out nothing medically is wrong with the beast. The verdict is he needs kitty prozac to deal with the fact I have a girlfriend -- and am bringing new smells into his life. FCKR!!!
Didn't get to taste it (her). Had the audacity to run off and not say "I'm sorry!" or "Ooops!" either.
Guess I should be happy there was not bigass antlers to gouge everything up!
Give the cat a dozen Xanax. That'll permanently cure him of anxiety.
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Gregg, if this keeps up you will be so paranoid you won't want to move the car at all. Glad you are okay again. Whatever you do, don't spend any money on lottery tickets.
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I'm finally getting close JUST TO GETTING PAID! That's right, I'm still waiting on payment from USAA.
Part of the reason is the pawltry coverage by the culprit. Part of the reason is an overt lack of effort and competence by USAA. I am thoroughly disgusted by USAA's: feet-dragging, inablity to execute, and talking out the sides of their mouths. Their stories changed too often -- making it obvious my claim was low on their scale of importance. Really, that they have trouble knowing what to do too!
Or...maybe they are like your other typical government "ineptities" -- where they just have trouble competing with private-sector timelines. Naw...they just aren't very good! I would never own their insurance!
That said, my luck continues. After paying $3500 from my own pocket, I've had the car back on the road for a couple of months. Yesterday, I got it out because the weather is finally improving.
Guess what!? A deer decided to throw itself at my car! I hit the sucker square-on. It ran out from between two houses in my neighorhood. Yup...in the city.
I don't think it did much ADDITIONAL damage though it did break the passenger side headlight assembly. I clipped it's legs out and it rolled completely over the roof of the car!
I can't see much more paint damage (other than the headlight).
Does that mean I'm getting luckier about being unlucky!
Part of the reason is the pawltry coverage by the culprit. Part of the reason is an overt lack of effort and competence by USAA. I am thoroughly disgusted by USAA's: feet-dragging, inablity to execute, and talking out the sides of their mouths. Their stories changed too often -- making it obvious my claim was low on their scale of importance. Really, that they have trouble knowing what to do too!
Or...maybe they are like your other typical government "ineptities" -- where they just have trouble competing with private-sector timelines. Naw...they just aren't very good! I would never own their insurance!
That said, my luck continues. After paying $3500 from my own pocket, I've had the car back on the road for a couple of months. Yesterday, I got it out because the weather is finally improving.
Guess what!? A deer decided to throw itself at my car! I hit the sucker square-on. It ran out from between two houses in my neighorhood. Yup...in the city.
I don't think it did much ADDITIONAL damage though it did break the passenger side headlight assembly. I clipped it's legs out and it rolled completely over the roof of the car!
I can't see much more paint damage (other than the headlight).
Does that mean I'm getting luckier about being unlucky!
Gregg, I was really sorry to read this thread you made and even worse that was last year and USAA still hasn't taken care of you. The real kicker for me are these winners that KNOW they are at fault that run to their providers and say they are innocent. Someone who would dick you over because of a few thousand dollars when it's their fault will be the first person to put a knife in your back in any worse a situation.