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Old Dec 1, 2013 | 09:08 PM
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Had my 383 built and tuned by TPIS all I did was install it. I am getting a strong odor that burns your eyes and makes your clothes stink like it. The smell is less when it is warmed up. I am also getting a black soot on the rear facia and exhaust tips. I have no emissions at all just mufflers. What should be my next step a wide ban o2 sensor or a data logger?
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Old Dec 1, 2013 | 09:21 PM
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I am getting a strong odor that burns your eyes and makes your clothes stink like it. The smell is less when it is warmed up.
What are your cam specs?
Most engines require a dyno tune and tweaking to get the tune right.
Having no cats also makes the smell @ idle worse

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What should be my next step a wide ban o2 sensor or a data logger?
If you tell us what year / engine we can tell you what data logging software and cable to buy
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Old Dec 1, 2013 | 09:28 PM
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Here's the cable for your 86:
http://www.moates.net/aldu1-and-cabl1-p-127.html
You will enable the 10k resistor for your 7165 ECM.

You may use this software here:
http://www.ttspowersystems.com/DataM...ownloads2.html
You want file DM35x32, and you may use it 20 times for free.

learn how to use it here:
http://www.scotthansen.net/data.html
Learn to playback the file with the histogram open. This will give you your BLM averages. If rich they will be below 128, and lean is above. You could send it to TPiS for their review, but you may need to find a reliable tuner. TPiS doesn't like you much after your card has been charged.
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Old Dec 1, 2013 | 10:45 PM
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The specs on the cam are 560 lift and 225 duration, with Dart 200 pro 1 heads, miniram intake, 52mm TB, 28 lbs injectors, 10.8.1 compression, set to 8 deg base timing. TPIS programmed the chip and the engine runs strong, I just am worried about too much fuel causing damage to rings. Fuel pressure is set to 55 psi with vacuum line off.
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Originally Posted by yorkfitter
Fuel pressure is set to 55 psi with vacuum line off.
Why so high ?
TPiS should have been able to tune the 28lb injectors to run at the stock 43.5 psi

LSA of the cam?
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The LSA is 112. I am not sure why they have the fuel pressure so high. This is my first engine build and that is what the sheet says it was set for on the dyno run.
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Originally Posted by yorkfitter
I am not sure why they have the fuel pressure so high.
Could try dropping the pressure down and see how that effects the fueling / performance.

My 383 had better heads , same cam and injectors with a HSR and ran fine @ 43.5 psi with a less than perfect home tune by me
No rich idle at least
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if you bump 28 lb injectors to 55 psi they flow 31.5 lbs,
my guess it was done to make max hp on the dyno run and not melt the pistons,
you probably need to back it down to around 43 psi to make it driveable.
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I backed it down to 45 psi and called TPIS and they said to take it down to 50. Ordered a cable from moates for data logging and will go from there. Haven't been able to drive car because of the weather in St Louis. Thanks for the help
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