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Old Jan 31, 2014 | 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by 69427
I respectfully disagree. A proper muffler, with a significant interior volume compared to the exhaust pipe feeding it, appears as a low pressure "dump" for the exhaust flow. The abrupt area/volume increase of the muffler causes a reflected low pressure wave to go back to the header and the exhaust valve.
Right....on a custom exhaust, built and tuned specifically to accomplish this. But MAKE NO MISTAKE; that ain't gonna happen on a stock or stockish exhaust system on a 'Vette. Especially where the mufflers are way back at the rear of the car. After the cats..there isn't any "tuning" going on. This has been covered in the past.

EITHER WAY...the muffler isn't what is causing the power increase. As you stated it is the volume change that affects the exhaust tuning. Same effect would occur w/an open pipe at the same spot in the exhaust, so the muffler is not a power building device.

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Old Jan 31, 2014 | 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by GREGGPENN
Tom is right. He was merely clarifying you can't "gain" power with the addition of a muffler over straight pipe (or header dumps). You can't increase power over open headers (which I don't even recall Tom mentioning), but you can improve the power over just having straight pipes running all the way back.
Vizzard had pointed out the effects of cams and scavenging and the ability to increase VE above 100% with proper exhaust design. It's not that a muffler adds power...as Tom indicates. You can create the affect Vizzard talks about with the use of a pulse termination box...which doesn't have to be a muffer. I'm aware of that. But we're talking large volume mufflers here which can emulate a termination box if placed properly. I understood the box to be a method for extending exhaust pipe BEYOND the "ideal termination length" that would create best scavenging/horsepower. Those are two different things. A termination box at the correct place to promote scavenging, and then a good flowing rear system to minimize the system backpressure. You could, just as easily/effectively, terminate your exhaust at the ideal length. It would end up under the car and you'd smell the fumes. We're not talking about "undercar dumped" exhaust systems in this thread. We're talking about full length systems. Vizzard also addresses the use of mufflers as many racing venues require "something" anyway.

I'm with Tom. Mufflers will never "create" horsepower. Properly placed and designed, they will minimize loss.
Straight pipes are the baseline in any exhaust system comparison. If you can increase the engine power output by the correct placement of a large volume muffler (which emulates a termination box), you are doing more than "minimizing loss". You are improving the scavenging, which increases the power above the baseline.
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Originally Posted by Tom400CFI
Right....on a custom exhaust, built and tuned specifically to accomplish this. We're in agreement. Most guys won't go to the effort to do that. I'm just one of the odd types who enjoyed the physics of building one of these systems. But MAKE NO MISTAKE; that ain't gonna happen on a stock or stockish exhaust system on a 'Vette. Oh, I agree. Especially where the mufflers are way back at the rear of the car. After the cats..there isn't any "tuning" going on. This has been covered in the past.

EITHER WAY...the muffler isn't what is causing the power increase. As you stated it is the volume change that affects the exhaust tuning. And sometimes that volume change is a large well flowing muffler. Same effect would occur w/an open pipe at the same spot in the exhaust, so the muffler is not a power building device.
I agree with that in 99% of the cases of exhaust system design, but I would not make a 100% blanket statement of that.
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