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Old Apr 8, 2014 | 02:20 PM
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I don't know what that means, but hopefully it's a good thing.
LOL It means that sometimes I just cannot believe that such simple modifications make such a huge kick in performance increase
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Old Apr 8, 2014 | 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by eatmydst1234
I stand corrected. Was that a '91 only part? I recall my 86 having cast iron and a friends 89 having the same.
All C4 L98 Vette's 85-91, should have the Stainless Steel exhaust manifolds. The only difference is, the later years with the Aluminum Heads have the D shaped exhaust ports.

My previous 89 Vette had the Stainless Steel exhaust manifolds too. Look closely at your 85 again. It might look like cast iron behind the heat shield but, it is stainless steel.





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Old Apr 8, 2014 | 03:33 PM
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So, do you LT1 types think there is any benefit from installing these shorty Pace Setter headers?

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Originally Posted by GKK
All C4 L98 Vette's 85-91, should have the Stainless Steel exhaust manifolds. The only difference is, the later years with the Aluminum Heads had the D shaped exhaust ports.

My previous 89 Vette had the Stainless Steel exhaust manifolds too. Look closely at your 85 again. It might look like cast iron behind the heat shield but, it is stainless steel.
they are from the factory on any early C4 ,i think even on the crossfire.My 85 has the same design,they are some sort of shorty headers,just a difference in the collector design.The four pipes are pushed into a quarter of circumference.
typical headers collector


stock c4 collector design
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here you can see how they'r squeezed into the collector
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Old Apr 8, 2014 | 05:15 PM
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^The OEM "collectors" look just like the Edelbrock TES collectors. Not that good.


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So, do you LT1 types think there is any benefit from installing these shorty Pace Setter headers?

I think the general consensus is that there is no meaningful gain for an LT1 with shorties.
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Old Apr 8, 2014 | 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by eatmydst1234
I stand corrected. Was that a '91 only part? I recall my 86 having cast iron and a friends 89 having the same.
I had an 84 and now have a 90 both had the these http://www.ebay.com/itm/CORVETTE-C4-...-/301142249246 exhaust manifolds and as far as i know only the air tube pipes are stainless the rest is rusted on both.

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Yes i would say it isn't "stainless steel" it is iron, In Europe we say steel 304,steel 316,inox steel,steel don't rust
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Old Apr 8, 2014 | 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by GKK
All C4 L98 Vette's 85-91, should have the Stainless Steel exhaust manifolds. The only difference is, the later years with the Aluminum Heads have the D shaped exhaust ports.

My previous 89 Vette had the Stainless Steel exhaust manifolds too. Look closely at your 85 again. It might look like cast iron behind the heat shield but, it is stainless steel.





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I have an LT1 now, but it is good info to know. On a side note, are the LT1's similar?
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Originally Posted by eatmydst1234
I have an LT1 now, but it is good info to know. On a side note, are the LT1's similar?
LT1's use Cast Iron exhaust manifolds which flow Very Well!... Some members port these exhaust manifolds for even better flow.
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Old Apr 8, 2014 | 08:56 PM
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If I really cared about the HP increase on my C4 I would probably get it somewhere other than full length headers. It's probably just me but I don't care to deal with the heat and issues that I have had with the past half dozen cars that have had them. They work great for what they are for; if I am racing something it has big tube headers on it...if I'm cruising the streets it doesn't...just my .02
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Originally Posted by DrDyno
So, do you LT1 types think there is any benefit from installing these shorty Pace Setter headers?

The short headers may help a little if they have a larger tube, and if they are tuned with the exhaust pulses. But really even with bigger tubes, there is still the same bottleneck at the collector. The idea with exhaust tuning is that when the exhaust hits a bottle neck like this, it sends a return pulse back up the system. If this pulse is timed correctly, it actually pulls the next pulse out of the engine, thus increasing flow. But I don't see them being very effective at it that close to the manifold. I believe this is one big reason long tubes are much more effective at increasing flow.

While they may look a little nicer, I would think that you are paying the price of more heat with very little reward in terms of flow. JMHO.
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Originally Posted by DrDyno
So, do you LT1 types think there is any benefit from installing these shorty Pace Setter headers?




Very little, if any increase. You need LT headers. Also, make sure you have thick flanges such as Exotic Muscle or any of the good headers. With good gaskets, and locking bolts, they hold up well.
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Originally Posted by GKK
I was surprised back in 86 when Ford installed the first Production Stainless Steel Headers on the Mustang.

I always thought the production cost and construction of production headers could be made inexpensively.

My 91 Vette has factory installed Stainless Steel Shorty exhaust manifolds!...



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1980 California 305 and all the 1981 Corvettes came with Headers. They were kinda small to be a performace factor but none the less they count a Headers.
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Old Apr 10, 2014 | 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by eatmydst1234
Was that a '91 only part? I recall my 86 having cast iron and a friends 89 having the same.
No, my '85 had the same steel tube manifold/headers. I think it was standard issue on all L98's. Not sure about 84's or earlier.

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Old Apr 10, 2014 | 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by eutu1984
I had an 84 and now have a 90 both had the these http://www.ebay.com/itm/CORVETTE-C4-...-/301142249246 exhaust manifolds and as far as i know only the air tube pipes are stainless the rest is rusted on both.
My 88 has these. They have 1 1/2" steel tubes. The problem is they were welded from the inside, where they connect to the flange. Bringing the opening size to 1 1/8". So I would think either new shortys or welding the outside & grinding old weld out, would have to be an improvement. I'd think? Joe
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Old Apr 10, 2014 | 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by cohocarl
No, my '85 had the same steel tube manifold/headers. I think it was standard issue on all L98's. Not sure about 84's or earlier.
My 84 also has the steel tube headers with heat shield, and shows the same in the fsm, so they are stock.
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Originally Posted by eatmydst1234
I stand corrected. Was that a '91 only part? I recall my 86 having cast iron and a friends 89 having the same.
Eat,
Those are also on my 1990 L98 and they are now backed-up by a
true dual Allen's Exhaust.

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Eat,
Those are also on my 1990 L98 and they are now backed-up by a
true dual Allen's Exhaust.

Mick
As embarrassing as it is I guess I never had the heat shields off of either of the L98 cars i was familiar with. My mistake.
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Originally Posted by eatmydst1234
As embarrassing as it is I guess I never had the heat shields off of either of the L98 cars i was familiar with. My mistake.
Don't be embarrassed, I'm sure there are still things I don't know about my '90 and I've had it since July 1990, ordered in May.

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