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Old May 25, 2014 | 08:20 PM
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Well after doing a bunch of work on my TPI system, and getting her back running again, i am now getting code 32. only after a few miles of driving, it comes on. i have reset the ECM to see if it comes back, and it does. Now what i did was clean the EGR valve really good, when i had it all apart. I took the end cap off and cleaned things up with carb cleaner, and a wire wheel. Also, i replaced the EGR solenoid. I doubt the original one was bad, but it just looked crappy, so i replaced it while it was all apart. Now i am sure i have everything connected up correct.
My FSM doesnt really explain WHY code 32 gets set. Just talks about the operation of it, and what to look for and check. The ECM commands EGR operation when certain things are met. So how does it really know if EGR action really happened? Should i go back to my original solenoid? The new one was not cheap! maybe it just needs to run a bit, and some new carbon build up on the valve? i am quite sure i did not have this code before.
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Your coolant temperature sensor can also cause this problem.
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Your coolant temperature sensor can also cause this problem.
My engine coolant temp sensor is brand new. AC Delco replacement.
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Old May 25, 2014 | 09:54 PM
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I had the same #32 code displayed on my 91 Vette a few years ago too.

I just replaced the EGR and the code disappeared!...
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Is the solenoid in working order.
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Old May 25, 2014 | 10:47 PM
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Is the solenoid in working order.
dont know. i can only assume so. it is brand new from CC. have not done any testing yet. Wanted to get some opinions first. should not be hard to put 12v to it and try it. i still have the original. i wonder if i messed up the EGR valve by cleaning it? i suppose i could get my laptop fired up and connect my scan tool and see what is going on.
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Originally Posted by MikeT 90 C4sixer
dont know. i can only assume so. it is brand new from CC. have not done any testing yet. Wanted to get some opinions first. should not be hard to put 12v to it and try it. i still have the original. i wonder if i messed up the EGR valve by cleaning it? i suppose i could get my laptop fired up and connect my scan tool and see what is going on.
It's a pretty simple circuit. Solenoid, vacuum, and valve? Put the old solenoid on to see if it makes a difference before tearing in too deep.

You can turn off the diagnostic in the switches, but it's really a good thing, so best to fix it.
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What year is the car? I would guess '90, but you never know.... The EGR system changed completely over the years and it's impossible to give specific advice without knowing the year.

The ECM will command EGR when the car is "driving down the road" (as I call it). Basically you need a minimum coolant temperature and the car has to be moving. In my car the ECM requires that the above conditions be met for about 5 minutes to set error code 32.

The ECM commands EGR by turning on the EGR solenoid. That supplies vacuum to the EGR valve, which opens. In earlier years there was an EGR temperature sensor that told the ECM that the EGR valve was open. In MAP cars I understand (I don't have one so I don't know for sure) that the ECM looks for a change in MAP when the EGR valve opens. If that doesn't happen the ECM sets error code 32.
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Originally Posted by MikeT 90 C4sixer
Well after doing a bunch of work on my TPI system, and getting her back running again, i am now getting code 32. only after a few miles of driving, it comes on. i have reset the ECM to see if it comes back, and it does. Now what i did was clean the EGR valve really good, when i had it all apart. I took the end cap off and cleaned things up with carb cleaner, and a wire wheel. Also, i replaced the EGR solenoid. I doubt the original one was bad, but it just looked crappy, so i replaced it while it was all apart. Now i am sure i have everything connected up correct.
My FSM doesnt really explain WHY code 32 gets set. Just talks about the operation of it, and what to look for and check. The ECM commands EGR operation when certain things are met. So how does it really know if EGR action really happened? Should i go back to my original solenoid? The new one was not cheap! maybe it just needs to run a bit, and some new carbon build up on the valve? i am quite sure i did not have this code before.
I went thru two brand new solenoids that were both bad. Finally went to an old one I had that still worked.
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With understanding comes wisdom......Grasshopper. You'd mentioned in your first post that you don't know exactly the theory of EGR. Here's a little primer that I save from another website a while back. It's the best explanation I've seen. Hope it helps.

Ok, here is the deal, you're cruisin' down the road at 70 Mph, you got the T-Tops out and the stereo blaring. Life is grand. Then out of nowhere comes that annoying bright orange "Service Engine Soon" light. You are shocked. You pull over to the nearest gas station to do a quick inspection of under the hood and find nothing. You take off again and the light is off. What's going on? You go home and check for codes and what pops up but the notorious code 32. The purpose of this article is to teach you the theory, operation and diagnostics of EGR in hopes that you will not be needlessly swapping parts. I will try to not make this a boring science class or a useless lecture but an informative tool.

EGR Theory: EGR serves one purpose and one purpose only. That purpose is to reduce Oxides of Nitrogen (NOx). Under normal combustion, Nitrogen(N2) Oxygen (O2) in the air and Hydrocarbons (HC) in the fuel combine into water (H2O) Carbon dioxide (CO2) and the Nitrogen remains unchanged. Under very hot combustion temperatures, the Nitrogen reacts with the other two byproducts and forms Nitrogen oxide (NO). After being released into the atmosphere, it picks up another Oxygen and becomes Nitrogen dioxide (NO2). In the presence of sunlight, it combines with other compounds like Hydrocarbons and forms Smog. Since exhaust gas is inert (very stable) it doesn't burn again. So by being introduced into the combustion chamber, it will lower combustion chamber temps enough so that the Nitrogen doesn't react with the other compounds and is passed unchanged out the tailpipe thus not contributing to smog. Now, since exhaust gas doesn't burn, it doesn't exactly help with combustion. At higher RPMs, this really isn't noticeable, but at idle, the reintroduction of exhaust gas will cause a very rough idle and can cause stalling if to much is introduced into the combustion chamber.

EGR Operation: Like mentioned before, EGR flow is good at higher RPMs, but not good at idle, so some sort of control needs to be place on the EGR system. Earlier systems used ported vacuum straight to the EGR valve. At idle, the throttle blades are closed, so there isn't any ported vacuum. When the throttle is opened, ported vacuum starts to build. The more throttle, the more ported vacuum. This is how vacuum advance distributors work. As throttle is increased, the EGR valve opened further. Once the throttle is closed, ported vacuum is lost and the valve closed. Most Third Gen. F-bodies use the basic diaphragm EGR valve, but instead of relying on ported vacuum, it relies on vacuum that is allowed to pass through a solenoid. The solenoid is controlled by the ECM. When conditions are right (engine temp, TPS position, RPM, etc...) the ECM will ground out the solenoid. The solenoid is a Pulse Width Modulated (PWM) meaning that the amount of vacuum is controlled by the computer rapidly switching on and off to ground. The more vacuum the ECM wants to go to the EGR valve, the more time it lets the solenoid remains grounded, measured in Duty Cycle. With a scan tool, you can command the EGR solenoid to say 50% Duty Cycle and actually feel the pulses if you put your finder over the vacuum port of the solenoid.

EGR Diagnostics: Now that you understand what EGR does and how it does it, lets see why sometimes it doesn't do it. Since exhaust gas if being introduced into the intake manifold, things like manifold vacuum and airflow reduce slightly. Speed density computers can recognize EGR flow by looking for a drop in vacuum via the MAP sensor. MAF systems can see a reduction in airflow since exhaust gas is displacing fresh air. Some systems have a temp sensor. Since exhaust gas is much hotter than fresh air, it can pick up EGR flow by sudden increases in temp when the valve is open. Highway speeds are when the most EGR flow is commanded. When cruising on the highway, the computer will pulse the EGR solenoid so that vacuum will pass and go to the EGR valve. After commanding the solenoid on, it will look for signs that the EGR valve opened by one of the means mentioned above. If it does not see the change in MAP, MAF, or increase in temp, it knows that exhaust gas is not flowing even though the ECM is commanding it. This is when the light comes on. What are some possible causes of no exhaust flow? Well, first, make sure that the solenoid is getting vacuum. A plugged or broken vacuum line will make everything else inoperative. If vacuum isn't getting to the solenoid, it surely will not get to the EGR valve. Once this is established, make sure the ECM has control over the solenoid. Visually make sure that the connector is firmly seated into the solenoid and that the terminals inside the connector are not corroded or damaged. Usually you can rev the engine while it is in closed loop and it will be enough for the ECM to command EGR so you will be able to feel vacuum at the solenoid. If you feel vacuum, than the ECM has control over the solenoid and adequate vacuum is reaching it. If you do not feel vacuum, you may need to drive the vehicle with a vacuum gauge hooked up to the solenoid. If you are driving in closed loop, you should see some vacuum. If you don't the solenoid is probably bad, or the ECM is not controlling it (bad ECM grounds or ECM) providing you had vacuum going to the solenoid. If all is OK so far, inspect the vacuum line going to the EGR valve for plugging or being broken. It is not uncommon for previous owners to plug these vacuum lines with sticks, BBs, screws, or anything else to try and cure a "rough idle". The lines can also become plugged with carbon deposits over time. If it is clear and free from defects, check out the valve itself. Make sure it isn't seized by manually lifting up on the diaphragm. If it moves freely, put a vacuum on it. It should move and stay there (hold a vacuum). If it doesn't move, try lifting a little on the diaphragm (it may be a positive backpressure valve, lifting on it some will act as the backpressure). If it still doesn't move, or wont hold vacuum, the valve is bad. If everything still checks out OK, then the only other thing that will limit exhaust gas flow is plugged up passages in the intake manifold and cylinder head. This is a common problem with the V6's and will leave many technicians scratching their head because the passages can't be seen. If all else checks out, get a rifle cleaning brush and a shop vac and start cleaning. You will be surprised the amount of carbon chunks that will come out of there.

Other notes: Most people like to disable the EGR because they claim that hurts performance. In actuality, disabling the EGR can hurt performance. Here is why. As we already know, at certain throttle positions and RPMs, the ECM will command EGR operation. This is to cool combustion chamber temps under load. Well, with cooler combustion chamber temps, we can further fuel economy by advancing the timing. We know that to much timing will cause "pinging". But when we keep the combustion temps down, the timing can be advanced without the "pinging" effect. At highway speeds, the ECM commands EGR operation and will advance timing accordingly. With a blocked of EGR, the computer thinks it is flowing when it is not and will advance timing. Now that the combustion chamber temps are much hotter, the advanced timing is no longer a good idea and detonation occurs. Since detonation can severely damage an engine, knock sensors are used. When the knock sensor detects detonation, it will retard timing. It takes more to stop detonation that it does to cause it and this is where it hurts performance. For example, at highway speeds, your total advance may be, lets say 30° BTDC. If the computer advances it one more degree to 31° and it detects detonation, it can't just go back to 30° to stop it, it must retard timing to like 25° to try and stop it, and if it still occurs it will further retard timing. If the EGR was working properly, the temps would have stayed cool enough to operate at 31° with no problems.

It takes lots of practice and experience to become a quick and proficient troubleshooter when it comes to complex engine diagnostics, so I tried to break this subject down so that anybody would be able to get that darned light to stay off. Good luck!

This article was written by Bernard Tripp (aka GMTech on the ThirdGen.Org Message Board). I am an ASE Certified Master Technician with Advanced Level Engine Performance (L1). I work for a Buick-GMC dealer and a long time F-body Fan.
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What year is the car? I would guess '90, but you never know.... The EGR system changed completely over the years and it's impossible to give specific advice without knowing the year.

The ECM will command EGR when the car is "driving down the road" (as I call it). Basically you need a minimum coolant temperature and the car has to be moving. In my car the ECM requires that the above conditions be met for about 5 minutes to set error code 32.

The ECM commands EGR by turning on the EGR solenoid. That supplies vacuum to the EGR valve, which opens. In earlier years there was an EGR temperature sensor that told the ECM that the EGR valve was open. In MAP cars I understand (I don't have one so I don't know for sure) that the ECM looks for a change in MAP when the EGR valve opens. If that doesn't happen the ECM sets error code 32.
Yes, i have a '90, it is a MAP car and i do NOT not have the EGR temp switch. My '88 IROC does. What you just said above in 2 lines tells me what i need to know. "ECM looks for a change in MAP when the EGR valve opens. If that doesn't happen the ECM sets error code 32"
Thanks!
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I went thru two brand new solenoids that were both bad. Finally went to an old one I had that still worked.
Well i today i pulled the new one out and checked it out. Put 12v to it, and i really couldnt be convinced that it worked. Maybe heard a faint tick when i hit it with voltage. But i can be sure the old one worked, easily heard the clik when i hit it with voltage. This new one cost me 70bucks from CC, and they claim no returns on electrical items. So in went the original EGR solenoid. I didnt drive car yet, but in due time. If the code does not come back, i am calling up CC for sure!
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With understanding comes wisdom......Grasshopper. You'd mentioned in your first post that you don't know exactly the theory of EGR. Here's a little primer that I save from another website a while back. It's the best explanation I've seen. Hope it helps.
Well that is some good reading. I was mainly interested in why code 32 sets, not so much the theory of EGR. I put my original solenoid back on, and once i get back to driving it, will see if code 32 comes back. It didnt take too many miles for it to turn SES lite on.
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Here is a quick update. Drove car today, to work, then to market, then home, no SES light. Should drive it more to confirm the EGR sol was the culprit. I am going to measure the coil R, on this new one and the stock one. Maybe the new one is so far off that the ECM cannot drive it.
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Originally Posted by MikeT 90 C4sixer
Here is a quick update. Drove car today, to work, then to market, then home, no SES light. Should drive it more to confirm the EGR sol was the culprit. I am going to measure the coil R, on this new one and the stock one. Maybe the new one is so far off that the ECM cannot drive it.
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There is a EGR temp switch. Right side of the dist on the 86. One wire.
Sets a 32 regularly especially on the open road steady state for better than 30-45 mins.
Part is out of production, but Chinese remans are sold by the catalog market. Not cheap easily broken

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There is a EGR temp switch. Right side of the dist on the 86. One wire.
Sets a 32 regularly especially on the open road steady state for better than 30-45 mins.
Part is out of production, but Chinese remans are sold by the catalog market. Not cheap easily broken
I got mine from VETTEPROS ($59.99) 704-320-0073. Found it on E-Bay
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There is a EGR temp switch. Right side of the dist on the 86. One wire. Sets a 32 regularly especially on the open road steady state for better than 30-45 mins. Part is out of production, but Chinese remans are sold by the catalog market. Not cheap easily broken
I hate that switch. It never comes out in one piece. You think it's unthreading but its just twisting apart. Drill and tap time...
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There is a EGR temp switch. Right side of the dist on the 86. One wire.
Sets a 32 regularly especially on the open road steady state for better than 30-45 mins.
Part is out of production, but Chinese remans are sold by the catalog market. Not cheap easily broken
I dont have one on my '90 C4. Since it is a Speed Density system, with a MAP, it senses changes in the MAP when an EGR event occurrs, then the ECM will set a code if it doesnt happen.

Now on my '88 IROC camaro, most definitly has the temp switch. But soon that will all be history...........
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