Cannot Trigger Code 33
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Cannot Trigger Code 33
There are lots of threads here on MAF problems, so I'll keep this short.
Car shows code 34 (low voltage) when MAF connected.
With MAF disconnected there are no codes. FSM says it should show 33 (high voltage). Voltmeter shows 5 volts at air flow signal (pin C).
I suspect the ECM is bad. Both MAF and ECM are remanufactured units and were replaced to successfully resolve entirely different symptoms several months ago. I am having trouble believing the replacement parts are bad, but maybe they are.
Burn off module checks out OK. (This is an '85). Provides power to MAF at right times and lights the wire after run.
Can anyone suggest any other diagnostics or should I return the parts?
Thanks
Car shows code 34 (low voltage) when MAF connected.
With MAF disconnected there are no codes. FSM says it should show 33 (high voltage). Voltmeter shows 5 volts at air flow signal (pin C).
I suspect the ECM is bad. Both MAF and ECM are remanufactured units and were replaced to successfully resolve entirely different symptoms several months ago. I am having trouble believing the replacement parts are bad, but maybe they are.
Burn off module checks out OK. (This is an '85). Provides power to MAF at right times and lights the wire after run.
Can anyone suggest any other diagnostics or should I return the parts?
Thanks
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There is a pull-up resistor on the MAF input. That causes it to go to 5 volts when the input is open, as your FSM states. Why it doesn't show an error code 33 is a mystery.
On the error code 34 problem, can you measure the MAF output voltage when it is connected? I did it by sticking a hat pin into the back of the MAF connector. The voltage should be pretty low when the engine is off, ignition on. I saw something less than about 0.5 volts. I measured this a while ago but I'm not at home right now so I don't have access to that info. The point is that the voltage was not zero, which would seem to be what the ECM would report as an error code 34.
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With engine running at idle I measured about 0.8V. When revving the engine, I measured around 2.5V.
I am going with the idea that the ECM is bad and will return it under warranty.
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You might have a bad connection (broken wire or corroded connector pin) between the MAF and the ECM. You need to measure the voltage at the ECM to see if it's getting there.
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There was +5 at the MAF connector when the MAF was disconnected. This would have been coming from the ECM.
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The only way to truly know what is happening is to use a scanner and then you'll know exactly what the ECM is seeing.
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Replacement ECM fixes the problem completely.
The one that failed was an AC Delco remanufactured unit purchased from Rock Auto in May this year. Rock Auto has replaced the unit at no charge under 1 yr warrantee. The original ECM for the car was damaged when a remanufactured alternator ran the voltage past 20.
The one that failed was an AC Delco remanufactured unit purchased from Rock Auto in May this year. Rock Auto has replaced the unit at no charge under 1 yr warrantee. The original ECM for the car was damaged when a remanufactured alternator ran the voltage past 20.
