Rev Limiter???
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Burning Brakes
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From: WV
Rev Limiter???
I ran my first PDX - HPDE yesterday with my 1993 stock LT1 C4 Vette. Great event at Summit Point WV, organized by Washington DC SCCA.
The day began rainy, and wet track conditions kept speeds low. Dry afternoon conditions allowed greater speeds, leading to this question.
I accelerated for the full length of the straights, and at the end of the main straight, approaching the braking zone for turn 1, RPMs would max the tach at 6000. In hindsight, I probably should have shifted from 4 to 5, but being literally only 50 yards or less from the braking zone, I stayed in 4th. A couple of times in that condition, I noted a momentary loss of power (almost like a miss), and simultaneously hit the brakes and backed off the throttle. As I shifted to 3rd, hit the apex and added throttle, all was well.
Does the C4 have a rev limiter? Might that explain the momentary power loss? Or was something else going on? She ran perfectly afterward each time. My instructor was a Porsche guy, and couldn't explain it.
Diagnosis please.....
The day began rainy, and wet track conditions kept speeds low. Dry afternoon conditions allowed greater speeds, leading to this question.
I accelerated for the full length of the straights, and at the end of the main straight, approaching the braking zone for turn 1, RPMs would max the tach at 6000. In hindsight, I probably should have shifted from 4 to 5, but being literally only 50 yards or less from the braking zone, I stayed in 4th. A couple of times in that condition, I noted a momentary loss of power (almost like a miss), and simultaneously hit the brakes and backed off the throttle. As I shifted to 3rd, hit the apex and added throttle, all was well.
Does the C4 have a rev limiter? Might that explain the momentary power loss? Or was something else going on? She ran perfectly afterward each time. My instructor was a Porsche guy, and couldn't explain it.
Diagnosis please.....
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Burning Brakes
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I will watch my tach closer, and adjust accordingly.
Melting Slicks
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Thanks. I studied the track via Youtube, and used one particular video from a C5 or C6 ZR1. That driver stayed exclusively in 3rd and 4th, so I tried to do the same. It worked pretty well, except now I realize he has more RPMs available to work with.
I will watch my tach closer, and adjust accordingly.
I will watch my tach closer, and adjust accordingly.
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How do you know? You don't know what gearing the OP has. In fact we don't even know what CAR the OP has. My C6 Z51 had virtually the same gearing including rear gear, that my '92 has. Had 750 more useable RPM though.
*'84-'91 have NO rev limiter other than the TPI intake itself, and the stock valve springs.
*'92 - '96 LT1/4 have a rev limiter at ~5850 RPM. What car does the OP have?
My '92 LT1/6spd/3.45 is good for about 120mph in 4th before I hit the limiter. I've never had to go into 5th at a track yet -our track here, Miller, has a 3800' front straight and I just barely get to 120 when I have to brake.
*'84-'91 have NO rev limiter other than the TPI intake itself, and the stock valve springs.
*'92 - '96 LT1/4 have a rev limiter at ~5850 RPM. What car does the OP have?
My '92 LT1/6spd/3.45 is good for about 120mph in 4th before I hit the limiter. I've never had to go into 5th at a track yet -our track here, Miller, has a 3800' front straight and I just barely get to 120 when I have to brake.
Last edited by Tom400CFI; Sep 15, 2014 at 11:19 AM.
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Burning Brakes
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More info.
Car is 6 spd. It has minor mods: MSD ignition, under drive pulley, shorty headers.
Stock black tag ZF6 transmission, stock rear end. I recently purchased it and have no idea if it has been custom tuned. Although a clue is that the engine temps seem to run cool; around 194 with ambient air temps in mid 70's. And I just noticed that at least one cooling fan on the radiator seems to run even at start up regardless of engine temp. So I assume that indicates a tune might have been done.
Stock black tag ZF6 transmission, stock rear end. I recently purchased it and have no idea if it has been custom tuned. Although a clue is that the engine temps seem to run cool; around 194 with ambient air temps in mid 70's. And I just noticed that at least one cooling fan on the radiator seems to run even at start up regardless of engine temp. So I assume that indicates a tune might have been done.
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Ahhh, so that IS about the same gearing as a C5Z or a C6Z. They have 700-1200 more RPM than you do, so that is where the added speed is coming from. And maybe from the rear wheel diameter if it's a C6.
My car runs at the same temps, so your temps aren't indicative of anything out of the ordinary. Stock T-stat is a 180, so 194 on a 70* while moving is just about right.
EDIT: Fans will run at anytime/any temp, if your AC is on and compressor is engaged. Needs to, to pull air over the condenser. Defroster runs the AC, FYI, so that would do it too.
My car runs at the same temps, so your temps aren't indicative of anything out of the ordinary. Stock T-stat is a 180, so 194 on a 70* while moving is just about right.
EDIT: Fans will run at anytime/any temp, if your AC is on and compressor is engaged. Needs to, to pull air over the condenser. Defroster runs the AC, FYI, so that would do it too.
Last edited by Tom400CFI; Sep 15, 2014 at 11:53 PM.
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Good to know
Ahhh, so that IS about the same gearing as a C5Z or a C6Z. They have 700-1200 more RPM than you do, so that is where the added speed is coming from. And maybe from the rear wheel diameter if it's a C6.
My car runs at the same temps, so your temps aren't indicative of anything out of the ordinary. Stock T-stat is a 180, so 194 on a 70* while moving is just about right.
EDIT: Fans will run at anytime/any temp, if your AC is on and compressor is engaged. Needs to, to pull air over the condenser. Defroster runs the AC, FYI, so that would do it too.
My car runs at the same temps, so your temps aren't indicative of anything out of the ordinary. Stock T-stat is a 180, so 194 on a 70* while moving is just about right.
EDIT: Fans will run at anytime/any temp, if your AC is on and compressor is engaged. Needs to, to pull air over the condenser. Defroster runs the AC, FYI, so that would do it too.
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Daniel Ricany said the difference is due to gear ratios and it's not since all the cars discussed in this thread have the same 4th gear ratio and the same rear gear. It is due to a different RPM limit, and in very small part, tire size.
The C4 has a 17" rim, and a ~25.6" tall tire. The C6ZR1 (car cited above in vid) has a 20" rim and the total diameter ends up being about 1" larger. This is a very small difference; ~6 mph diff at 140 mph, so about as meaningful as different gear ratios in the various T56's that were offered in the C5's and C6's (other than 4th gear).