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Old Oct 10, 2014 | 04:40 PM
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Hey guys, in trying to diagnose why my front end is so low, I came across this. Doesn't look like any ball joint I have ever seen. Even the passenger side is sucked up tight like any other car I have worked on. I've tried to give the hub a few whacks with a mallet to get it to slide in all the way, but it wont budge. Any thoughts?

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Old Oct 10, 2014 | 05:55 PM
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Sure does not look "right" to me!
Are there any threads at all in the castle nut?
Is there some type of spacer under the spindle over the lower ball joint?

Going to be following this one....very curious to see it taken apart.
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Never mind, I'm an idiot. Didn't realize the grease boot was missing.
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Old Oct 10, 2014 | 08:12 PM
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You beat me to it.
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If its squatting low your shocks could be shot.
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Old Oct 10, 2014 | 08:39 PM
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that looks wrong... grease boot or not.

check the zerk fitting. If it's up flush with the lower control arm, it's a done ball joint.
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Old Oct 11, 2014 | 01:36 AM
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Originally Posted by dt86
if its squatting low your shocks could be shot.
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Old Oct 11, 2014 | 02:18 AM
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Originally Posted by LannyL81
Sure does not look "right" to me!
Are there any threads at all in the castle nut?
Is there some type of spacer under the spindle over the lower ball joint?

Going to be following this one....very curious to see it taken apart.
I got to looking at it and it's sitting on the taper. The castle nut is fully engaged on the threads, but I don't see a cotter pin hole.

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that looks wrong... grease boot or not.

check the zerk fitting. If it's up flush with the lower control arm, it's a done ball joint.
I will take a look at that. Going to have to change it before long anyway, dirt is going to chew it up fast.
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Old Oct 11, 2014 | 04:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Hot Rod Roy
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Not really because Ive seen it first hand. As in my own car. As in my car sat low due to shocks that were shot and after replacing them it sat right. True story.
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I thought I was looking at the grease boot that had been shoved inside of the spindle or something.....now looking at the picture correctly.

Those ball joints are pressed-in....just in case you did not know.

Good luck.
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Originally Posted by Dt86
Not really because Ive seen it first hand. As in my own car. As in my car sat low due to shocks that were shot and after replacing them it sat right. True story.
How? Hot Rod Roy is right. Shocks don't support the load...they dampen oscillations. Springs support the load. Yes, the shocks are gas charged and provide some "push", but that is such a small percentage of the force it's hardly meaningful. Unless you used air shocks...
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How? Hot Rod Roy is right. Shocks don't support the load...they dampen oscillations. Springs support the load. Yes, the shocks are gas charged and provide some "push", but that is such a small percentage of the force it's hardly meaningful. Unless you used air shocks...
I can only speak from my experience. If Im wrong technically then Im wrong. But when I bought my car it sat like it was lowered. The shocks were completely shot. After replacing them my car sat noticably higher front and back. Prior to replacing it sat level. After, the rear sat higher like it should. It made that much of a difference, which is why I mentioned it.
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Huh. Never seen that happen before. Interesting.
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Originally Posted by Dt86
If its squatting low your shocks could be shot.
Originally Posted by Dt86
Not really because Ive seen it first hand. As in my own car. As in my car sat low due to shocks that were shot and after replacing them it sat right. True story.
Really?
I going to assume you used KYB's to gain this experience? They're cheap and easy to come by.
The fact is that KYB's are notoriously over charged and will lift the suspension until the gas charge is diminished.

A shock is not used to set ride height, plain and simple.








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Originally Posted by JrRifleCoach
Really?
I'll have to see if I have photos to show the difference.
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Before and after changing shocks.


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Not the best photos but you can see the difference.
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Originally Posted by Dt86
Before and after changing shocks.


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Not the best photos but you can see the difference.
I agree, after changin' my new Bilstein Z51 ride height changed and both rear and front lifted 1 inch. i can see now,one year later, the ride height still highier than before.Obviously the old shocks were junk and totally shooted,plus probably even my leaf springs after 30 years may have lost its spring rate.

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Originally Posted by Dt86
Before and after changing shocks.


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Not the best photos but you can see the difference.
Although I can see that it is slightly higher, I'd say that it is still way too low (not near factory spec) and the root cause lies elsewhere; bad spring or someone lowered it. If it were MY car, I'd find out what the root cause is. I bet if you do, it rides much better after fixing.
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Dt86,

Your experience means absolutely nothing regarding how a suspension functions.

I going to assume you used KYB's to gain this experience?
They're cheap and easy to come by.
The fact is that KYB's are notoriously over charged
and will lift the suspension until the gas charge is diminished.


The front shock is also the bump stop,
Like Tom eluded to if the spring has sagged over time now your also riding on a fully compressed shock






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Originally Posted by Tom400CFI
How? Hot Rod Roy is right. Shocks don't support the load...they dampen oscillations. Springs support the load. Yes, the shocks are gas charged and provide some "push", but that is such a small percentage of the force it's hardly meaningful. Unless you used air shocks...


Originally Posted by JrRifleCoach
Dt86,

Your experience means absolutely nothing regarding how a suspension functions.

I going to assume you used KYB's to gain this experience?
They're cheap and easy to come by.
The fact is that KYB's are notoriously over charged
and will lift the suspension until the gas charge is diminished.


The front shock is also the bump stop,
Like Tom eluded to if the spring has sagged over time now your also riding on a fully compressed shock






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I was thinking the same thing. Probably has overcharged shocks with way too much compression.
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