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Old Jun 17, 2015 | 10:26 PM
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I have an '87 with a 4+3 manual that has a lot of drivetrain play. At first I thought it was the U-joints so I replaced all 6. I also pulled the Dana down and measured the backlash, it's right on spec. Then I thought maybe the rear hubs, but they feel tight on this 61K car.

It causes some knocking at low speeds (oscillating) and is just generally annoying like a bad U-joint would be.

Just wondering if this is a road traveled before and maybe I'm missing something. I guess it could be the trans or the yoke, but it seems unlikely. The play is there with the OD engaged or not.

Any thoughts appreciated!
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subbed because i want a 4+3 and need to learn.
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Check the bolts on both ends of the C-beam. Torque the front bolts to 33-40 ft-lbs and the rear bolts to 51-67 ft-lbs.
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Check the bolts on both ends of the C-beam. Torque the front bolts to 33-40 ft-lbs and the rear bolts to 51-67 ft-lbs.
Have you taken a look at Motor Mounts?
there could be some play in the trans. is this problem new to the car, (have you been driving it for a while or new owner) I have felt some gear lash in the past in 4+3s is it Excessive?
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Originally Posted by s carter
Have you taken a look at Motor Mounts?
there could be some play in the trans. is this problem new to the car, (have you been driving it for a while or new owner) I have felt some gear lash in the past in 4+3s is it Excessive?
I replaced the motor mounts last year. The C-beam is tight. It's been a problem for the 3 years I've owned it. It was just over this last winter that I went through all the stuff I thought it might be to no avail.

It's not terrible, just annoying.
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have you checked rear suspension components? And are you leaking transmission fluid anywhere?
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Originally Posted by VikingTrad3r
have you checked rear suspension components? And are you leaking transmission fluid anywhere?
I replaced everything in the rear suspension over the winter. It didn't make a difference. I didn't change the hubs because they felt tight, maybe that's next. I do have them.

The T-10 drips a little from the shift seals, but it's full. The OD is full of new ATF and no leaks.
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I replaced everything in the rear suspension over the winter. It didn't make a difference. I didn't change the hubs because they felt tight, maybe that's next. I do have them.

The T-10 drips a little from the shift seals, but it's full. The OD is full of new ATF and no leaks.

If you turn off the O-D does the problem get better or worse or no change, I ask because when the Sprag gear or clutches are on their way out they can cause a shutter or looseness (slip)in the trans.
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Originally Posted by s carter
If you turn off the O-D does the problem get better or worse or no change, I ask because when the Sprag gear or clutches are on their way out they can cause a shutter or looseness (slip)in the trans.
The OD being on or off makes no difference. Good thought though.
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Originally Posted by jv9999
The OD being on or off makes no difference. Good thought though.
makes no difference, well as Forest Gump would say THATS A GOOD THING!!!!
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When you say driveline movement, what exactly do you mean? You mean like year a clunk? You mean like you feel a clunk go through the drive train up to the tranny? Is it when you engage the clutch?
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Originally Posted by VikingTrad3r
When you say driveline movement, what exactly do you mean? You mean like year a clunk? You mean like you feel a clunk go through the drive train up to the tranny? Is it when you engage the clutch?
Yes, a clunk. It seems to get worse as things heat up and I think it's coming from the trans, but not 100% sure as sounds travel through the driveline. When the 4+3 is not in OD, it should be locked to the T10's output, but I wonder if it's not. Maybe Carter above is right.

I need to disconnect the driveshaft and see how much play is in the trans. It sounds like a rear end clunk, but I pulled that over the winter and checked the backlash, it was right on spec.
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