C4 Tech/Performance L98 Corvette and LT1 Corvette Technical Info, Internal Engine, External Engine

E.G.R. pros and cons?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Aug 28, 2002 | 11:34 PM
  #1  
corvette4life's Avatar
corvette4life
Thread Starter
Racer
20 Year Member
 
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 311
Likes: 0
From: Charleston S.C.
Default E.G.R. pros and cons?

I'm building a engine for my 95. In my state we don't have emission testing. What are the performance advantages and disadvantages of using the E.G.R.

Thanks
Reply
Old Aug 29, 2002 | 03:07 AM
  #2  
BIG JIM 54's Avatar
BIG JIM 54
Burning Brakes
 
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 871
Likes: 0
From: Costa Mesa CA
Default Re: E.G.R. pros and cons? (corvette4life)

IMO, one advantage of an EGR is the engine was designed to use it. The disadvantage is, anything that dilutes the intake charge can't be good for performance.

I'm sure there will be plenty of feedback for you, both for and against the EGR. You're just lucky you have no smog testing in your state. Here in CA it's the ONLY thing they test.

BIG JIM
Reply
Old Aug 29, 2002 | 04:47 PM
  #3  
Rick86's Avatar
Rick86
Burning Brakes
 
Joined: Nov 2000
Posts: 855
Likes: 0
Default Re: E.G.R. pros and cons? (corvette4life)

EGR is not engaged at idle or WOT. You might get detonation at cruising speed (part throttle) unless you reprogram the computer. So at the strip your not losing anything having it hooked up.
Reply
Old Aug 29, 2002 | 05:17 PM
  #4  
Nathan Plemons's Avatar
Nathan Plemons
Race Director
15 Year Member
 
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 14,165
Likes: 9
Default Re: E.G.R. pros and cons? (corvette4life)

I ditched it on mine along with the rest of the AIR system. I installed long tube headers so that removed all the AIR plumbing, but I left that actual EGR valve in place, but it didn't actually do anything when it opened.

I had not driveability issues or codes. I later removed the EGR valve itself because it makes getting to the last intake bolt so much easier.

In short if you don't have emissions testing and aren't concerned, you can really clean up your engine compartment by ditching all that crap.
Reply
Old Aug 29, 2002 | 07:00 PM
  #5  
tkrussell's Avatar
tkrussell
Racer
 
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 428
Likes: 0
From: Dallas Tx
Default Re: E.G.R. pros and cons? (Nathan Plemons)

Pro: Reduced NOx emissions, caused by the exhaust gas diluting the intake charge and giving less peak temperature and power. Operates only at part throttle, not at idle or WOT. Feel good about helping to save the atmosphere.

Con: Hot, dirty exhaust leaves deposits in the intake and heats the intake charge. 1) The hot intake then reduces power at WOT by heating the incoming air. 2) Because combustion power is reduced at part throttle, more throttle opening is required for any given power setting. As a result, BSFC (Brake specific fuel consumption) rises and fuel economy suffers.

Caveat: The engine compression, cam, fuel injection curve, spark advance curve, and EGR are designed to work as a system. Fiddling with one aspect, such as D/Cing the EGR, will upset the balance and the PCM may or may not be able to fully compensate. To do it right, the PCM need to be reprogrammed (fuel and advance). The end result should be better fuel economy, better part throttle response, and better WOT power.

Note that the LT-4 has no EGR, due to the LT-4 camshaft having enough overlap to produce intrinsic EGR. This overlap also allows a higher static compression ratio. A very valid buildup for an LT-1 would be to use the LT-4 cam (or the Hot LT-4 cam) and tune the PCM to LT-4 fuel and advance curves.
Reply
Old Aug 29, 2002 | 08:02 PM
  #6  
vader86's Avatar
vader86
Team Owner
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 62,139
Likes: 1,727
From: Athens AL
C7 of the Year - Unmodified Finalist 2021
C4 of Year Finalist (performance mods) 2019
Default Re: E.G.R. pros and cons? (corvette4life)

I would get rid of it, since we have no emissions in SC. I just am going to wait until i get a 383 or at least until i put a SR on.

Its not engaged at WOT, so it doesnt affect performance, it just inducts alot of crud into the engine to reduce emissions.
Reply
Old Aug 30, 2002 | 10:29 AM
  #7  
vettedan's Avatar
vettedan
Drifting
25 Year Member
Conversation Starter
All Eyes On Me
 
Joined: Aug 2000
Posts: 1,758
Likes: 4
From: Medford, Or
Default Re: E.G.R. pros and cons? (corvette4life)

corvette4life-I don't have Cats, air pumps, or EGR on my '95LT1. OBD-1 is more forgiving than OBD-2, which GM started using in '96. I have never had any hard failure (service engine soon) light come on. When I hook my diagnostic computer on, I have seen an EGR fail warning, but very rarely.
Dan
Reply
Old Aug 31, 2002 | 07:04 AM
  #8  
JP's C4's Avatar
JP's C4
Instructor
 
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 118
Likes: 0
Default Re: E.G.R. pros and cons? (corvette4life)

Dump it. You don't need it. It's activated at higher rpm's or speed. I promise you the sound is flabbergasting once you have removed it or turned it of! :smash: :smash: :cool: The sound of power!!!! :chevy
Reply
Corvette Stories

The Best of Corvette for Corvette Enthusiasts

story-0

Top 10 Most Explosive Corvettes Ever Made: Power-to-Weight Ratio Ranked!

 Joe Kucinski
story-1

150 hp to 1,250 hp: Every Corvette Generation Compared by the Specs That Matter

 Joe Kucinski
story-2

8 Coolest Corvette Pace Cars (and Replicas) of All Time

 Verdad Gallardo
story-3

Top 10 Corvette Engines RANKED by Peak Torque (70+ Years of Muscle!)

 Joe Kucinski
story-4

Corvette ZR1X Will Be Pacing the Indy 500, And Could Probably Race, Too!

 Verdad Gallardo
story-5

Top 10 Corvettes Coming to Mecum Indy 2026!

 Brett Foote
story-6

Top 10 C9 Corvette MUST-HAVES to Fix These C8 Generation Flaws!

 Michael S. Palmer
story-7

10 Revolutionary 'Corvette Firsts' Most People Don't Know

 Joe Kucinski
story-8

5 Reasons to Upgrade to an LS6-Powered Corvette; 5 Reasons to Stay LT2

 Michael S. Palmer
story-9

2027 Corvette vs The World: Every C8 vs Its Closest Competitor

 Joe Kucinski
Old Aug 31, 2002 | 11:10 AM
  #9  
corvette4life's Avatar
corvette4life
Thread Starter
Racer
20 Year Member
 
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 311
Likes: 0
From: Charleston S.C.
Default Re: E.G.R. pros and cons? (tkrussell)

Thanks for your very informative post.
Kerry
Reply
Old Aug 31, 2002 | 12:52 PM
  #10  
dlmeyers's Avatar
dlmeyers
Burning Brakes
10 Year Member
 
Joined: Feb 2000
Posts: 824
Likes: 2
From: Camden SC
Default Re: E.G.R. pros and cons? (corvette4life)

As stated above, your car's engine was designed for use with this component. And yes, the darn things sometimes do cause problems. Removal, well, there are some issues. A note in the Corvette Chiltons, "To little or no EGR flow allows combustion temperatures to rise, which could result in spark knock (detonation), engine overheating, and/or emission test failure." Then again, what do they know.

A functioning ESC system would correct for any detonation, although in normal driving, you would not know when the system was active. When retarding the timing, we are reducing performance. Any additional heat demands placed on a C4 cooling system is generally a bad idea.

I would like to see some dyno results, engine temp results with and without EGR installation etc. Until I saw some factual data, I would make sure it was clean, held vacuum, and re-install.
Reply
Old Aug 31, 2002 | 03:19 PM
  #11  
Nathan Plemons's Avatar
Nathan Plemons
Race Director
15 Year Member
 
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 14,165
Likes: 9
Default Re: E.G.R. pros and cons? (dlmeyers)

Well like I said I only ditched mine because it went the way of the rest of my emissions system. When I get my computer reprogrammed for the heads I'll have the EGR disabled, but I haven't had any trouble so far.
Reply
Old Aug 31, 2002 | 05:57 PM
  #12  
JP's C4's Avatar
JP's C4
Instructor
 
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 118
Likes: 0
Default Re: E.G.R. pros and cons? (dlmeyers)

You're most likely right. However I'm not a daily driver. And the temps seem to be in order. My Corvette dealer said it was of no importance.

Again the pokking sound with a downshift is awesome :yesnod:

Do you have an indication on your temps? My temps on the highway is about 95C when i'm waiting for a trafic kight it is about 105C to 110C, after that the fan kicks in an colls it back to 95C
Reply

Get notified of new replies

To E.G.R. pros and cons?





All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:21 PM.

story-0
Top 10 Most Explosive Corvettes Ever Made: Power-to-Weight Ratio Ranked!

Slideshow: The 10 most explosive Corvettes ever built based on power-to-weight ratio.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-20 07:23:03


VIEW MORE
story-1
150 hp to 1,250 hp: Every Corvette Generation Compared by the Specs That Matter

Slideshow: From C1 to C8 we compare every Corvette generation by the numbers.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-12 16:54:12


VIEW MORE
story-2
8 Coolest Corvette Pace Cars (and Replicas) of All Time

Slideshow: Some Corvette pace cars became collectible legends, while others perfectly captured the look and attitude of their era.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-11 09:50:51


VIEW MORE
story-3
Top 10 Corvette Engines RANKED by Peak Torque (70+ Years of Muscle!)

Slideshow: Ranking the top 10 Corvette engines by torque output.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-05 11:58:09


VIEW MORE
story-4
Corvette ZR1X Will Be Pacing the Indy 500, And Could Probably Race, Too!

Slideshow: A Corvette pace car nearly matching IndyCar speeds sounds exaggerated, until you look at the numbers.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-04 20:03:36


VIEW MORE
story-5
Top 10 Corvettes Coming to Mecum Indy 2026!

Among a rather large group of them.

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-04 13:56:44


VIEW MORE
story-6
Top 10 C9 Corvette MUST-HAVES to Fix These C8 Generation Flaws!

Slideshow: the top 10 things Corvette owners want in the C9 Corvette

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-04-30 12:41:15


VIEW MORE
story-7
10 Revolutionary 'Corvette Firsts' Most People Don't Know

Slideshow: 10 Important Corvette 'firsts' that every fan should know.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-04-29 17:02:16


VIEW MORE
story-8
5 Reasons to Upgrade to an LS6-Powered Corvette; 5 Reasons to Stay LT2

Slideshow: Should you buy a 2020-2026 Corvette or wait for 2027?

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-04-22 10:08:58


VIEW MORE
story-9
2027 Corvette vs The World: Every C8 vs Its Closest Competitor

Slideshow: 2027 Corvette lineup vs the world.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-04-24 16:12:42


VIEW MORE