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Old May 16, 2016 | 06:36 PM
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My fuel pressure s been bouncing around erratically meaning pressure will drop around hard corners and if i sway it back and fourth on around close to empty it will act like it wants to die, pressure guage was tapped to window and sometime s it will flucuat 5 to 10 lbs. so i started it up this morning and it just quit, put the guage on it , nothing the guage stays at zero. attach my dvm to the hot wire to the fuel pmp + - by the filler and turned the key on voltage went to around 12 volts for 2 seconds so i know its getting voltage, the question is should i replace just the pmp or the whole sending unit with the pmp.. thanks
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Put gas in it. If you need a pump most of the time just need the pump, sock, gasket and submersible hose good time to do the filter too.

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Just the pump under nearly all circumstances along with a new "in tank" filter/sock. If there's a "pulsator" still on the fuel tree consider removing it for a short length of "submersible rated" fuel hose.
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Old May 16, 2016 | 07:15 PM
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Just the pump under nearly all circumstances along with a new "in tank" filter/sock. If there's a "pulsator" still on the fuel tree consider removing it for a short length of "submersible rated" fuel hose.
thnks for the quick reply, im confused though what does the pulsator do and replacing with a short length of hose will do what. thanks
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Old May 16, 2016 | 07:26 PM
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thnks for the quick reply, im confused though what does the pulsator do and replacing with a short length of hose will do what. thanks
If you have a pulsater they are no longer available and just use the proper hose. It was like a hammer valve like in house plumbing. And not needed. The hose will connect your pump to the fuel line. Without it you will just have a fountain inside your fuel tank.

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If you have a pulsater they are no longer available and just use the proper hose. It was like a hammer valve like in house plumbing. And not needed. The hose will connect your pump to the fuel line. Without it you will just have a fountain inside your fuel tank.
I believe that if a person wanted/or wants the "pulsator" they are still available. I believe the NOT AVAILABLE was mentioned here earlier and I don't believe it's so. There's a local here that if it's a customers car it goes back together with the "pulsator"/dampener every time. Unless customer specifies NO!! There's likely multiple brands available - I'd likely wager that.
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Originally Posted by WVZR-1
I believe that if a person wanted/or wants the "pulsator" they are still available. I believe the NOT AVAILABLE was mentioned here earlier and I don't believe it's so. There's a local here that if it's a customers car it goes back together with the "pulsator"/dampener every time. Unless customer specifies NO!! There's likely multiple brands available - I'd likely wager that.
Learned something found it on zip $34.50 I will stick with the hose.

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C4's are some what notorious for fuel starvation on hard cornering when the fuel level is down to about 1/4 full. My old '87 would have the same issues during autocross and track events even with the tank 1/3 full.

I try to never have less than a 1/3 of a tank. The fuel is also what keeps the pump cool. If you constantly let the fuel level go down to where the reserve indicator is on, you could burn up the pump.
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I try to never have less than a 1/3 of a tank. The fuel is also what keeps the pump cool. If you constantly let the fuel level go down to where the reserve indicator is on, you could burn up the pump.
I don't believe that would happen. When the pump runs out of fuel so does the engine and it would stop running.
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I don't believe that would happen. When the pump runs out of fuel so does the engine and it would stop running.
Replaced the fuel pump motor and is now running, thanks all for the advice. Have some other running problems but will start another thread on that one. thanks again for all the great help...
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Originally Posted by antfarmer2
Put gas in it. If you need a pump most of the time just need the pump, sock, gasket and submersible hose good time to do the filter too.
Rubbish. Diesel has more energy per unit.
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Originally Posted by c4cruiser
C4's are some what notorious for fuel starvation on hard cornering when the fuel level is down to about 1/4 full. My old '87 would have the same issues during autocross and track events even with the tank 1/3 full.

I try to never have less than a 1/3 of a tank. The fuel is also what keeps the pump cool. If you constantly let the fuel level go down to where the reserve indicator is on, you could burn up the pump.
I believe they have a sump that mostly cures that problem or you can build one.

Absolutely FALSE. If you believe that can happen, I have a stock tip for you. Buy Walbro stock. I have run EVERY CAR that I own down to the bottom and the only replacement pump I installed is because I was transplanting the 383 and wanted to be sure there was enough fuel. Just an old wives tale circulated again and again. Don't believe me? Ask Tom400CFI or watch his video HERE. Temp doesn't break 100 even when forced to run without any fuel and pump probably will go on for much longer. Wish Tom would run it till the pump burns up so we know.

Ask yourself this. Assuming you run out of gas, what exactly do you think the happens to the power to the pump? Hint: Engine stops
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Originally Posted by bob arrowsmith
Replaced the fuel pump motor and is now running, thanks all for the advice. Have some other running problems but will start another thread on that one. thanks again for all the great help...
Please tell me you bought a new sock and gasket for the tank at least?
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If not, I suggest you get THIS. I don't know what year you have but they have an install kit for it. The pulsator never has to be a problem since you will be replacing it with a FUEL RATED HOSE instead of some other hose that probably will be dissolved by the fuel
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Old May 17, 2016 | 07:12 PM
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If not, I suggest you get THIS. I don't know what year you have but they have an install kit for it. The pulsator never has to be a problem since you will be replacing it with a FUEL RATED HOSE instead of some other hose that probably will be dissolved by the fuel
I replaced with a new sock, but what kind of problems can a pulsator cause?. Prior to replacing fpm i had close to 40 lbs fuel pressure but it would not hold pressure and would leak down,, new pump motor same pressure and still will not hold pressure. regulator is new and it does not seem to be leaking via the injectors ,,,they have been replace with Bosch from fic. i can live with it and it does not seem to effect the performance...
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The new pumps do not hold as well as the factory it was a EPA thang. The pulsater can leak too most just use the hose.

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The new pumps do not hold as well as the factory it was a EPA thang. The pulsater can leak too most just use the hose.
good to know thanks.
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I replaced with a new sock, but what kind of problems can a pulsator cause?. Prior to replacing fpm i had close to 40 lbs fuel pressure but it would not hold pressure and would leak down,, new pump motor same pressure and still will not hold pressure. regulator is new and it does not seem to be leaking via the injectors ,,,they have been replace with Bosch from fic. i can live with it and it does not seem to effect the performance...
In perfect shape, none. However, it is like a rubber tube that slips over the metal. When that rubber gets old and shrinks, it can let fuel past it. At which point, you will be wondering if your pressure is caused by leaking injectors, bad FPR, etc, etc. This way you have 1 less thing to chase.
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Originally Posted by aklim
The pulsator never has to be a problem since you will be replacing it with a FUEL RATED HOSE instead of some other hose that probably will be dissolved by the fuel
A friend of mine used regular fuel line. This was the result:

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A friend of mine used regular fuel line. This was the result:

Where did he finally got it to show itself? Hopefully not in the middle of BFE.

Did you ever get a final result of how long will the pump run without fuel.
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