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Old Feb 5, 2018 | 10:26 AM
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My Apologies to all - I was WRONG ! Written FSM says relay will remain energized as long as ECM receiving reference pulses ! I am really sorry ! So much for my experience !!! greg
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Old Feb 5, 2018 | 10:31 AM
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My Apologies to all - I was WRONG ! Written FSM says relay will remain energized as long as ECM receiving reference pulses ! I am really sorry ! So much for my experience !!! greg
No one can know everything. Thankfully no one is required to know everything.
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Old Feb 5, 2018 | 10:37 AM
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Thanks to you all ! You all too kind to this egg faced idiot ! I truly am so sorry !!!
In my defense I was looking at the attached schematic where it says - "crank only " !!!
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Old Feb 5, 2018 | 10:48 AM
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Thanks to you all ! You all too kind to this egg faced idiot ! I truly am so sorry !!!
In my defense I was looking at the attached schematic where it says - "crank only " !!!
Where did you get that? My book is black and white only.
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Old Feb 5, 2018 | 10:55 AM
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In my 1992 FSM it says fuel pump control (during start only) from pin 7 of the ECM Page 8A-21-7. I have never tested this, is the FSM wrong in this regard?
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In my 1992 FSM it says fuel pump control (during start only) from pin 7 of the ECM Page 8A-21-7. I have never tested this, is the FSM wrong in this regard?
I would have to see the schematic. I can tell you that service manual updates come around almost as often as service bulletins. What is more likely is the schematic you are looking at it providing an incomplete picture of the circuit. Done so for simplicity.
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Old Feb 5, 2018 | 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by PatternDayTrader
I would have to see the schematic. I can tell you that service manual updates come around almost as often as service bulletins. What is more likely is the schematic you are looking at it providing an incomplete picture of the circuit. Done so for simplicity.
Schematic is correct - no problem there. FP relay is in parallel with PCM and engine oil pressure switch. That's what the FSM manual shows. I have the original manuals which is why mine are also in color.

If you look at schematic I attached it clearly states "crank only". Then I read the written word which says ...... ignition pulses - bla-bla -bla .......

So the written word diverges from the schematic - I was going by the schematic only - so much for that !!!! Sorry !
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Old Feb 5, 2018 | 11:15 AM
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Original FSM from Helms circa same year as vehicle ........
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Old Feb 5, 2018 | 11:15 AM
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I guess so !!!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by BlowerWorks
Schematic is correct - no problem there. FP relay is in parallel with PCM and engine oil pressure switch. That's what the FSM manual shows. I have the original manuals which is why mine are also in color.

If you look at schematic I attached it clearly states "crank only". Then I read the written word which says ...... ignition pulses - bla-bla -bla .......

So the written word diverges from the schematic - I was going by the schematic only - so much for that !!!! Sorry !
My schematic is the same as far as the FP relay and oil pressure switch being in parallel. I do not have the same text as you found, or at least nowhere near the schematic.
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Old Feb 5, 2018 | 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by PatternDayTrader
I would have to see the schematic. I can tell you that service manual updates come around almost as often as service bulletins. What is more likely is the schematic you are looking at it providing an incomplete picture of the circuit. Done so for simplicity.
Looks pretty straight forward and I was a electronic bench technician for 10 years and did a little circuit design on a T1 multiplexer as well.
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Old Feb 5, 2018 | 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by JimLentz
Looks pretty straight forward and I was a electronic bench technician for 10 years and did a little circuit design on a T1 multiplexer as well.
Nice.
I always liked electrical work. It was the only facet of auto repair that I felt was 100% predictable.
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Old Feb 5, 2018 | 06:51 PM
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Well my Vette's in the shop now. I'll see what is found out.


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Old Feb 5, 2018 | 07:23 PM
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Well my Vette's in the shop now. I'll see what is found out.


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Yeah let us know.
Watch it be the fuel pump relay ... lol.
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Old Feb 5, 2018 | 08:44 PM
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Old Feb 6, 2018 | 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by JimLentz
My schematic is the same as far as the FP relay and oil pressure switch being in parallel. I do not have the same text as you found, or at least nowhere near the schematic.
Page 6E3-A-18
VIN 8 Driveability & Emissions

I may scan later but a PIA for me as I must switch to XP - Old Canon scanner won't work on '7' ! lol
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Page 6E3-A-18
VIN 8 Driveability & Emissions

I may scan later but a PIA for me as I must switch to XP - Old Canon scanner won't work on '7' ! lol
I will take a look when I get home, thanks!
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This is from the engine fuel section of the FSM.
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Old Feb 7, 2018 | 12:26 PM
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Actually it'd make more sense to me if the PCM only supplied the 2 second pulse and then the oil pressure switch took over ! That's what the schematic implies. So if the PCM does see ignition pulses and runs the relay then why the oil pressure switch ? Back-up - why - if the PCM dies where you going ?
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Old Feb 7, 2018 | 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by BlowerWorks
Actually it'd make more sense to me if the PCM only supplied the 2 second pulse and then the oil pressure switch took over ! That's what the schematic implies. So if the PCM does see ignition pulses and runs the relay then why the oil pressure switch ? Back-up - why - if the PCM dies where you going ?
It is my understanding the oil switch is a back up for the relay. If the relay fails, you will get a “long crank” symptom, but not be stranded on the side if the road.
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