F-Body ECM Programming really works!
I'm kinda skeptical when it comes to people who have no facility and just a facebook page. My guess is it is another "Guess a Tune" unless he is doing data logging.
For decades hot rodders drove without them and did just fine.
If you look on his page he shows tuning maps used.
Obviously you cant get a true personalized tune from a mail order chip since it cant be dyno tuned.
Alot of people can have the experience to do the tuning but not have the means to dyno every car and dont want to deal with the different tax codes that creating an official business would entail but i stand by my decision to reccomend him.
Sounds good to me then. I mean, if they can get by without it using the same motor, same fuel quality, getting the same results, same longevity and mpg, to name a few, I suppose we should be fine with "just fine", whatever it means in that sense.
I did. If I dig through my stuff, I might find a few maps of "my own" too.
I don't follow. I had issues with my Powerstroke after mods and we didn't put it on a dyno either. We datalogged the ECM to see what it was doing. Take the datalog, make changes, try again, etc. Same as dyno tuning except you can't see what it is doing power wise and there is some tweaking required. If he isn't doing that, he is really guessing what is happening.
I did some changes on my HD with SEPST. Doesn't make me more than a hack who knows how to push a button. There might be a few that actually have a lot of experience tuning like you said. Unfortunately, there are more hacks out there than there are such. In fact, IIRC, we had someone here like that with someone shilling for him too. He too was probably not wanting to create a business entity or want the expense of a dyno or even an office. All he had were a few shills and no real references, PROFESSIONAL ones, that is. Call me a jaded cynic but so far, I haven't seen a thing yet that says he is a professional that knows more than a few buttons to push.
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Knock sensors are there in all new cars because the average person doesnt know what to listen for when it comes to that. Knock sensors only retard the timing and only do it when it detects knock. Its the same as backing off the throttle.
Yes knock sensors can tell tuners where to make their final little tweaks to make it safe for everyday use but i can tell you that a professional tuner will hear the knock and know what to do.
Look at a new gm crate engine. The 502 puts out 500hp on just a carb alone. No knock sensor and its just as reliable as anything else out there. You can put a holley efi system on it and push the limits even further without a knock sensor.
They are there for the average person that only knows the order of the pedals and has never turned a wrench in their life. Everybody wants to act like a knock sensor delete is the end of the world and that the sensor is gods gift to cars well its not. Theyre simply a safety sensor so idiots dont blow their engine up.
If youre having your car tuned and pushed to the very edge where it needs to rely on a knock sensor to keep it in check then you can throw reliability out the window.

Lets see. You are 5 feet away from the motor in a cabin designed to minimize sound and yet your ear is as sensitive as the KS in the block? I call BS.
Again, I agree they know knock when they hear it. So which ones would swear that they are as accurate with light knock as a KS? Which one of them rides with you every mile?
Again, you can. "Can" is a very deceptive word. Implies everything and guarantees absolutely nothing. THIS is at 8.75 compression.
Again, if your ear is good enough to hear any and all knock through the firewall, you are right. I admit my ear isn't sensitive enough to hear any and all. Maybe if it is moderate and definitely severe but in my defense, I don't have the engine sitting next to me. Is your ear that sensitive that you are willing to bet money on it? Because you are if you blow an engine or even shorten its life.
Really? Those are my choices? Race engine where it only needs to hit the finish line before rebuild or total safety? I think there might be another compromise somewhere where you are not replacing your engine but not leaving that much on the table.
PS. Any idiot can turn a wrench. Not everyone who does turn said wrench can diagnose. If your car were detonating like you mentioned and all you did was mask the issue by removing the KS without diagnosis, what you have is simply hiding the issue by fooling the ECM. You can turn wrenches all you want and you can know what knock sounds like but you obviously have no clue as to what is causing the problem when your only cure is to hide the issue. THAT is where a professional comes in. To find out what is causing that problem which shouldn't be. What you have advertised for is a hack to hide the issue. What next? fix a broken leg by morphine and bandages? No see, no pain, problem solved?
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Lets see. You are 5 feet away from the motor in a cabin designed to minimize sound and yet your ear is as sensitive as the KS in the block? I call BS.
Again, I agree they know knock when they hear it. So which ones would swear that they are as accurate with light knock as a KS? Which one of them rides with you every mile?
Again, you can. "Can" is a very deceptive word. Implies everything and guarantees absolutely nothing. THIS is at 8.75 compression.
Again, if your ear is good enough to hear any and all knock through the firewall, you are right. I admit my ear isn't sensitive enough to hear any and all. Maybe if it is moderate and definitely severe but in my defense, I don't have the engine sitting next to me. Is your ear that sensitive that you are willing to bet money on it? Because you are if you blow an engine or even shorten its life.
Really? Those are my choices? Race engine where it only needs to hit the finish line before rebuild or total safety? I think there might be another compromise somewhere where you are not replacing your engine but not leaving that much on the table.
PS. Any idiot can turn a wrench. Not everyone who does turn said wrench can diagnose. If your car were detonating like you mentioned and all you did was mask the issue by removing the KS without diagnosis, what you have is simply hiding the issue by fooling the ECM. You can turn wrenches all you want and you can know what knock sounds like but you obviously have no clue as to what is causing the problem when your only cure is to hide the issue. THAT is where a professional comes in. To find out what is causing that problem which shouldn't be. What you have advertised for is a hack to hide the issue. What next? fix a broken leg by morphine and bandages? No see, no pain, problem solved?
Computers can and do fail. I never told somebody to ignore a problem. I didnt see the light and instantly jump to just turn it off with a chip. I tested every possible thing imaginable before coming to the conclusion to put in a chip.
Engines are not these fragile things that people claim. They can take quite a bit of abuse so the knock that you cant hear is minute and realistically doing next to no harm. Its when you can hear the knock that you have a problem.
You tested everything imaginable TO YOU which might be different from everything imaginable. As to computer failure, while it is definitely possible, somehow, I think human failure is definitely more probable.
Well, how much before it becomes harmful and how did we determine it? Like I said, I have no idea how much I can hear from inside the cabin with the car insulation and the exhaust roaring in the back and engine noise in the front, not to mention my attention on the road. Sorry but if the choice is pay attention to the road or the motor dying, the motor is dying every time. In theory, I agree with you. From a reality standpoint, I have my doubts I will notice the knocking until it is too late, by which time, harm is done. It might not break immediately at the time but cumulatively, it can become an issue. So no thanks. If it is my motor, I want the KS pulling timing instead of trusting that I can hear it in time and back off the throttle each and every time it happens.













