EBC RED brake pad advice
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EBC RED brake pad advice
I am looking to try a new set of brake pads. I have slotted and drilled rotors with very few miles on them. I have been looking at the EBC Red pads #DP31131C. Has anybody got real time experience with them? Thanks
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What are you using the car for?
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Thanks for the reply. I drive the car about 500 miles a year. It has 32 K on it. Most if the driving is local to car shows but i take several spirited trips thru the mountain winding roads of the Adirondack’s. I like putting my foot into it
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I used EBC greenstuff pads and they were the worst pads ive ever used.
they couldnt handle a single 80-10 mph stop without fade and wore out quickly
put hawk hp+ on there and they handled the stopping fine with no fade.
the consensus here is that Hawk is the best pad out there.
hawk hps or hp+ (if you dont mind squeaks and lots of dust. Also eats rotors)
good luck
they couldnt handle a single 80-10 mph stop without fade and wore out quickly
put hawk hp+ on there and they handled the stopping fine with no fade.
the consensus here is that Hawk is the best pad out there.
hawk hps or hp+ (if you dont mind squeaks and lots of dust. Also eats rotors)
good luck
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St. Jude Donor '11,'13
The Carbotech Bobcat 1521™ is our high performance street compound that is our most successful compound. The Bobcat compound is known fo- its awesome release and modulation, along with unmatched rotor friendliness. Like our AX™ & XP™ line of compounds, Bobcat 1521™ is a Ceramic based friction material offering minimal rotor damage and non-corrosive dust. Bobcat 1521™ offers outstanding performance, even when cold, low dusting and low noise with an excellent initial bite. This compound’s virtually perfect linear torque production provides incredible braking force without ABS intervention. Bobcat 1521™ operating range starts out at ambient and goes up to 900°F. Bobcat 1521™ is suitable for ALL street cars, perfect for your tow vehicle, police cruiser. The Bobcat 1521™ compound has been found to last two-three times longer than OE pads you can purchase at a dealership or national retailer. That’s one of the beauties of Carbotech Ceramic brake compounds. Bobcat 1521™ is NOT recommended for any track use.
Carbotech brake pads can be ordered online @ http://ampdautosport.com/brake-pads/corvette/ or call me at 216-780-8825. The part numbers you need are front CT412 and rear CT413 these are listed under C4 section..Use promo code z28 at check out to receive your forum discount.
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I wouldn't agree with this at all. Hawks are definitely not the best pad out there, not even in the discussion to be honest. Hawk and EBC did a lot of marketing in the 90s and 00s, but their products have fallen behind. The best thing they've got going for them is contingencies to pay people to use their stuff if they win races. Lots of guys buy their stuff, do the decals, and then never ever win.
That said, for the OP's use, pretty much anything will work.
That said, for the OP's use, pretty much anything will work.
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I wouldn't agree with this at all. Hawks are definitely not the best pad out there, not even in the discussion to be honest. Hawk and EBC did a lot of marketing in the 90s and 00s, but their products have fallen behind. The best thing they've got going for them is contingencies to pay people to use their stuff if they win races. Lots of guys buy their stuff, do the decals, and then never ever win.
That said, for the OP's use, pretty much anything will work.
That said, for the OP's use, pretty much anything will work.
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I enjoyed my Hawk 5.0 on another car and would have probably been great on the Vette too, but I decided to go with EBC Yellow stuff as I plan to push this car pretty damn hard. As for just cruising here and there you'd probably want something low dust and decent stopping power. There are a lot of options out there for that. If you go with Carbotech you'd want the 1521 street pad, but those are quite pricey for just driving around. Honestly if I was in your shoes I would go with the ACDelco Professional Ceramic line. They are low dust, pretty cheap to buy (thank you GM), and work very well for everyday street use and some fun use.
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Thanks for all of the replies. I never really looked into brake pads this much in the past. I simply would stop at NAPA or Advance Auto and buy the best they had on their shelf.
I want improved stopping with minimal brake dust and gentle wear on the rotors. Yea I know you can’t have it all! Now to complicate matters a friend of mine has a link to a liquidator who has one front set of EBC Red pads for a ridiculous price of $38.00 (no shipping cost req). I don’t mind spending more if I am going to truly get my wishlist mostly satisfied.
I want improved stopping with minimal brake dust and gentle wear on the rotors. Yea I know you can’t have it all! Now to complicate matters a friend of mine has a link to a liquidator who has one front set of EBC Red pads for a ridiculous price of $38.00 (no shipping cost req). I don’t mind spending more if I am going to truly get my wishlist mostly satisfied.
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Thanks for all of the replies. I never really looked into brake pads this much in the past. I simply would stop at NAPA or Advance Auto and buy the best they had on their shelf.
I want improved stopping with minimal brake dust and gentle wear on the rotors. Yea I know you can’t have it all! Now to complicate matters a friend of mine has a link to a liquidator who has one front set of EBC Red pads for a ridiculous price of $38.00 (no shipping cost req). I don’t mind spending more if I am going to truly get my wishlist mostly satisfied.
I want improved stopping with minimal brake dust and gentle wear on the rotors. Yea I know you can’t have it all! Now to complicate matters a friend of mine has a link to a liquidator who has one front set of EBC Red pads for a ridiculous price of $38.00 (no shipping cost req). I don’t mind spending more if I am going to truly get my wishlist mostly satisfied.
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1988-1996
F: CT412 $134.90
R: CT413 $120.65
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did you ever get the EBC Reds?
I'm all over the place trying to decide on a pad setup, probably going with a plain rotor, but I would like some real world experience from someone who has taken the red stuff out for some spirited driving.
I reached brake fade on the current pads and rotors and created hot spots with how I play around in my FRC.
Not sure what they are, but I want to make sure to go above and beyond their spec for my next set.
I am cross shopping carbotechs, redstuff, hawk 5.0, and powerstop z26 at the moment, and for 2 months.
I'm all over the place trying to decide on a pad setup, probably going with a plain rotor, but I would like some real world experience from someone who has taken the red stuff out for some spirited driving.
I reached brake fade on the current pads and rotors and created hot spots with how I play around in my FRC.
Not sure what they are, but I want to make sure to go above and beyond their spec for my next set.
I am cross shopping carbotechs, redstuff, hawk 5.0, and powerstop z26 at the moment, and for 2 months.
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I had EBC redstuff pads on a Monte Carlo I used for commuting (150 mi round trip). I did this commute twice a week. It was always in the kind of heavy traffic where you're going 75 mph, bumper to bumper, and having to slow to 20 mph without warning, then eventually back to 75 mph. The EBC pads served me well and inspired confidence in hard braking. Very little brake dust. They did require a break in process and "bedding in." I'm confident somebody here will tell you they suck. Ever thus.
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the Green stuff pad advertised higher initial bite than the red stuff pad - which is why I went with it.
I didnt want a pad that need warmed up or ‘hot’ before it would start gripping
that said, in my ‘light’ 1993 corvettte EBC green stuff (on the front J55 brakes) couldnt handle a single 60-0 style panic stop without fading - could you imagine how bad it would perform (for fade) on a 5000 or 6000 lb SUV ?
I put Hawk HP+ pads on and (other than cold squeaks!, its like a different car. No fade
the EBC greenstuff also wore extremely fast.
Again i can only apeak for the EBC Green stuff, but if they release garbage like that , I wouldnt trust EBC red stuff either
I didnt want a pad that need warmed up or ‘hot’ before it would start gripping
that said, in my ‘light’ 1993 corvettte EBC green stuff (on the front J55 brakes) couldnt handle a single 60-0 style panic stop without fading - could you imagine how bad it would perform (for fade) on a 5000 or 6000 lb SUV ?
I put Hawk HP+ pads on and (other than cold squeaks!, its like a different car. No fade
the EBC greenstuff also wore extremely fast.
Again i can only apeak for the EBC Green stuff, but if they release garbage like that , I wouldnt trust EBC red stuff either
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Sounds like you and I drive a lot alike @dizwiz24
Your experience with the green stuff pads is what I'm going through with my pads currently. They are ready for replacing, and every time I make a hard stop I am greeted with brake fade almost instantly.
From all the info I have come across, the green stuff is the weakest compound they sell, and if you call them, they wont recommend you put them on your corvette at all. Redstuff and yellowstuff are the minimums they recommend. Most people who have used greenstuff on a performance car(that actually drive it like a performance car) are always dissatisfied, like it's a kid's meal toy quality sold from Neiman Marcus. Most say the redstuff/yellowstuff sorts all that mess out.
The hawk HP+ pads, are they better than the hps 5.0?
Can you compare them to a carbotech or powerstop z23/z26 model? How is the dust on them? I don't care about noise honestly, just looking for a good dual purpose brake setup.
Your experience with the green stuff pads is what I'm going through with my pads currently. They are ready for replacing, and every time I make a hard stop I am greeted with brake fade almost instantly.
From all the info I have come across, the green stuff is the weakest compound they sell, and if you call them, they wont recommend you put them on your corvette at all. Redstuff and yellowstuff are the minimums they recommend. Most people who have used greenstuff on a performance car(that actually drive it like a performance car) are always dissatisfied, like it's a kid's meal toy quality sold from Neiman Marcus. Most say the redstuff/yellowstuff sorts all that mess out.
The hawk HP+ pads, are they better than the hps 5.0?
Can you compare them to a carbotech or powerstop z23/z26 model? How is the dust on them? I don't care about noise honestly, just looking for a good dual purpose brake setup.
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Sounds like you and I drive a lot alike @dizwiz24
Your experience with the green stuff pads is what I'm going through with my pads currently. They are ready for replacing, and every time I make a hard stop I am greeted with brake fade almost instantly.
From all the info I have come across, the green stuff is the weakest compound they sell, and if you call them, they wont recommend you put them on your corvette at all. Redstuff and yellowstuff are the minimums they recommend. Most people who have used greenstuff on a performance car(that actually drive it like a performance car) are always dissatisfied, like it's a kid's meal toy quality sold from Neiman Marcus. Most say the redstuff/yellowstuff sorts all that mess out.
The hawk HP+ pads, are they better than the hps 5.0?
Can you compare them to a carbotech or powerstop z23/z26 model? How is the dust on them? I don't care about noise honestly, just looking for a good dual purpose brake setup.
Your experience with the green stuff pads is what I'm going through with my pads currently. They are ready for replacing, and every time I make a hard stop I am greeted with brake fade almost instantly.
From all the info I have come across, the green stuff is the weakest compound they sell, and if you call them, they wont recommend you put them on your corvette at all. Redstuff and yellowstuff are the minimums they recommend. Most people who have used greenstuff on a performance car(that actually drive it like a performance car) are always dissatisfied, like it's a kid's meal toy quality sold from Neiman Marcus. Most say the redstuff/yellowstuff sorts all that mess out.
The hawk HP+ pads, are they better than the hps 5.0?
Can you compare them to a carbotech or powerstop z23/z26 model? How is the dust on them? I don't care about noise honestly, just looking for a good dual purpose brake setup.
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Sounds like you and I drive a lot alike @dizwiz24
Your experience with the green stuff pads is what I'm going through with my pads currently. They are ready for replacing, and every time I make a hard stop I am greeted with brake fade almost instantly.
From all the info I have come across, the green stuff is the weakest compound they sell, and if you call them, they wont recommend you put them on your corvette at all. Redstuff and yellowstuff are the minimums they recommend. Most people who have used greenstuff on a performance car(that actually drive it like a performance car) are always dissatisfied, like it's a kid's meal toy quality sold from Neiman Marcus. Most say the redstuff/yellowstuff sorts all that mess out.
The hawk HP+ pads, are they better than the hps 5.0?
Can you compare them to a carbotech or powerstop z23/z26 model? How is the dust on them? I don't care about noise honestly, just looking for a good dual purpose brake setup.
Your experience with the green stuff pads is what I'm going through with my pads currently. They are ready for replacing, and every time I make a hard stop I am greeted with brake fade almost instantly.
From all the info I have come across, the green stuff is the weakest compound they sell, and if you call them, they wont recommend you put them on your corvette at all. Redstuff and yellowstuff are the minimums they recommend. Most people who have used greenstuff on a performance car(that actually drive it like a performance car) are always dissatisfied, like it's a kid's meal toy quality sold from Neiman Marcus. Most say the redstuff/yellowstuff sorts all that mess out.
The hawk HP+ pads, are they better than the hps 5.0?
Can you compare them to a carbotech or powerstop z23/z26 model? How is the dust on them? I don't care about noise honestly, just looking for a good dual purpose brake setup.
dust on the hawk hp+ is terrible. worst dusting pad.
but I will quote scorp508 ‘if they dont dust they dont stop’
The hawk HPS (dont know what the 5.0 means) seem to be a great compromise - a little more street friendly (less squeaks and dust) than the Hawk HP+
clearly ebc green stuff is not what you’d want on a vette. But my point is they arent what you’d want on your wifes grocery getter either
as i mentioned before, i got steered into them 15 yrs ago bc they mentioned data showing much initial higher coefficient of friction on a cold panic stop then their yellow or red stuff. . I quickly found them to be useless in any situation , wearing out quickly also.
a forum member here ravved about his green stuff pads (probably a parade corvette or ‘car show’ user, not driving enthusiast) and thats the only reason i tried a set
I loved how i asked the dude (******* hawk) about what pads he would use instead and all I got was crickets
Hawk is the go to pad here
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dust on the hawk hp+ is terrible. worst dusting pad.
but I will quote scorp508 ‘if they dont dust they dont stop’
The hawk HPS (dont know what the 5.0 means) seem to be a great compromise - a little more street friendly (less squeaks and dust) than the Hawk HP+
clearly ebc green stuff is not what you’d want on a vette. But my point is they arent what you’d want on your wifes grocery getter either
as i mentioned before, i got steered into them 15 yrs ago bc they mentioned data showing much initial higher coefficient of friction on a cold panic stop then their yellow or red stuff. . I quickly found them to be useless in any situation , wearing out quickly also.
a forum member here ravved about his green stuff pads (probably a parade corvette or ‘car show’ user, not driving enthusiast) and thats the only reason i tried a set
I loved how i asked the dude (FAUEE) (******* hawk) about what pads he would use instead and all I got was crickets
Hawk is the go to pad here
but I will quote scorp508 ‘if they dont dust they dont stop’
The hawk HPS (dont know what the 5.0 means) seem to be a great compromise - a little more street friendly (less squeaks and dust) than the Hawk HP+
clearly ebc green stuff is not what you’d want on a vette. But my point is they arent what you’d want on your wifes grocery getter either
as i mentioned before, i got steered into them 15 yrs ago bc they mentioned data showing much initial higher coefficient of friction on a cold panic stop then their yellow or red stuff. . I quickly found them to be useless in any situation , wearing out quickly also.
a forum member here ravved about his green stuff pads (probably a parade corvette or ‘car show’ user, not driving enthusiast) and thats the only reason i tried a set
I loved how i asked the dude (FAUEE) (******* hawk) about what pads he would use instead and all I got was crickets
Hawk is the go to pad here
Did you reach out to EBC customer service? I'm sure they would've done something like send you a set of Red pads
no brake dust and a lot of braking power
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I hope to get to the track at some point. I havent yet gotten out there, but I have glazed my rotors and created hot spots with some spirited driving. That being said, I'd like something that can handle some light track work so I don't have to worry about fade on the backroads here in GA.