Having a real problem getting my new Y2k's balanced
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Having a real problem getting my new Y2k's balanced
Got my set of Y2K chrome wheels today along with some new tires (same as factory originals). The tire shop is having a dickens of a time getting them to balance. It seems the problem is rooted in not being able to put weights on the outer rim of the wheel, thereby causing a "static balance" situation which causes the wheels to "wiggle" at hwy speeds.
I've had them bubble balanced, spin balanced and even manually balanced while on the car with no real sucess. Have any of you with Y2K's had this problem and if so, how did you resolve it?
Karl
I've had them bubble balanced, spin balanced and even manually balanced while on the car with no real sucess. Have any of you with Y2K's had this problem and if so, how did you resolve it?
Karl
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Re: Having a real problem getting my new Y2k's balanced (MagikDraggin)
I don't know if this would work but my truck tires were balanced without weights. I thought it sounded like BS but it is smoother now than when it was new. They used some sort of liquid in the tire. I know it sounds nuts but the truck is smooth. Might not work on Z rated tires though.
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Re: Having a real problem getting my new Y2k's balanced (MagikDraggin)
Got my set of Y2K chrome wheels today along with some new tires (same as factory originals). The tire shop is having a dickens of a time getting them to balance. It seems the problem is rooted in not being able to put weights on the outer rim of the wheel, thereby causing a "static balance" situation which causes the wheels to "wiggle" at hwy speeds.
I've had them bubble balanced, spin balanced and even manually balanced while on the car with no real sucess. Have any of you with Y2K's had this problem and if so, how did you resolve it?
Karl
I've had them bubble balanced, spin balanced and even manually balanced while on the car with no real sucess. Have any of you with Y2K's had this problem and if so, how did you resolve it?
Karl
They are fine. No wheel wobble up to triple digits
Tire shop probably has tried this, but sometimes you have to move the tire around on the rim to get it to all balance correctly.
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Re: Having a real problem getting my new Y2k's balanced (jackdaroofer)
Got my set of Y2K chrome wheels today along with some new tires (same as factory originals). The tire shop is having a dickens of a time getting them to balance. It seems the problem is rooted in not being able to put weights on the outer rim of the wheel, thereby causing a "static balance" situation which causes the wheels to "wiggle" at hwy speeds.
I've had them bubble balanced, spin balanced and even manually balanced while on the car with no real sucess. Have any of you with Y2K's had this problem and if so, how did you resolve it?
Karl
I had mine "static" balanced, wheel weights on the inside edge.
They are fine. No wheel wobble up to triple digits
Tire shop probably has tried this, but sometimes you have to move the tire around on the rim to get it to all balance correctly.
:seeya
I've had them bubble balanced, spin balanced and even manually balanced while on the car with no real sucess. Have any of you with Y2K's had this problem and if so, how did you resolve it?
Karl
I had mine "static" balanced, wheel weights on the inside edge.
They are fine. No wheel wobble up to triple digits
Tire shop probably has tried this, but sometimes you have to move the tire around on the rim to get it to all balance correctly.
:seeya
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Re: Having a real problem getting my new Y2k's balanced (jackdaroofer)
Tire shop probably has tried this, but sometimes you have to move the tire around on the rim to get it to all balance correctly.
:seeya
:seeya
I remember a technique where they "pre-balanced" the wheel and tire seperately to find the HEAVY spots in each, then mounted so the HEAVY spots were exactly opposite of each other, making the balance job easier on way out of balace tires/wheels.
I forget the name of the technique, but I do remember it being done. :D
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Re: Having a real problem getting my new Y2k's balanced (jackdaroofer)
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"Tire shop probably has tried this, but sometimes you have to move the tire around on the rim to get it to all balance correctly."
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Yup, they did that too.
After fiddling with all afternoon, they finally got it down to where it is reasonably smooth up to about 68mph, where there is a very slight steering wheel shake. It goes away at 72, only to be replaced by the best as I can describe, a "vibrating shudder", that pretty much subsides around 90mph, but it never really gets completely smooth, like it was before the Y2K's were put on.
It's really annoying and frustrating, to say the least.
Karl
"Tire shop probably has tried this, but sometimes you have to move the tire around on the rim to get it to all balance correctly."
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Yup, they did that too.
After fiddling with all afternoon, they finally got it down to where it is reasonably smooth up to about 68mph, where there is a very slight steering wheel shake. It goes away at 72, only to be replaced by the best as I can describe, a "vibrating shudder", that pretty much subsides around 90mph, but it never really gets completely smooth, like it was before the Y2K's were put on.
It's really annoying and frustrating, to say the least.
Karl
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Re: Having a real problem getting my new Y2k's balanced (Phil-tha-Rush)
Tire shop probably has tried this, but sometimes you have to move the tire around on the rim to get it to all balance correctly.
:seeya
:iagree:
I remember a technique where they "pre-balanced" the wheel and tire seperately to find the HEAVY spots in each, then mounted so the HEAVY spots were exactly opposite of each other, making the balance job easier on way out of balace tires/wheels.
I forget the name of the technique, but I do remember it being done. :D
:seeya
:iagree:
I remember a technique where they "pre-balanced" the wheel and tire seperately to find the HEAVY spots in each, then mounted so the HEAVY spots were exactly opposite of each other, making the balance job easier on way out of balace tires/wheels.
I forget the name of the technique, but I do remember it being done. :D
There is some kind of goo they use to balance truck tires, but I'm not sure if they would be appropriate for our Zated tires.
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Re: Having a real problem getting my new Y2k's balanced (Phil-tha-Rush)
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"I remember a technique where they "pre-balanced" the wheel and tire seperately to find the HEAVY spots in each, then mounted so the HEAVY spots were exactly opposite of each other, making the balance job easier on way out of balance tires/wheels."
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Yup! Did that too. That is what finally got most of the jiggle out of the ride, but it is far from "perfect".
I really do appreciate all the tips and ideas though.
I wonder if "truing" the tires would make much difference? You know, where all the high-spots are literally scraped off?
Karl
"I remember a technique where they "pre-balanced" the wheel and tire seperately to find the HEAVY spots in each, then mounted so the HEAVY spots were exactly opposite of each other, making the balance job easier on way out of balance tires/wheels."
__________________________________
Yup! Did that too. That is what finally got most of the jiggle out of the ride, but it is far from "perfect".
I really do appreciate all the tips and ideas though.
I wonder if "truing" the tires would make much difference? You know, where all the high-spots are literally scraped off?
Karl
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Re: Having a real problem getting my new Y2k's balanced (MagikDraggin)
Have they tried using the sticky weights on the back of the spokes? When I first got my car, it had weights on the inboard rim lip, and weights stuck on the backside of the spokes. A couple of those fell off, so I had the wheels balanced at a shop near me with Hunter brand balancing equipment. They had no problem only using the inboard rim lip, no need for sticky weights on the spokes.
Maybe you just got a set withe excessive runout?
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Maybe you just got a set withe excessive runout?
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Re: Having a real problem getting my new Y2k's balanced (MagikDraggin)
I had a similar problem years ago on a 70 Javlin (yea it's a Rambler, I know, so don't say it)..anyway, the rears were 15 x 9.5.....and would not balance. The shop shaved some rubber off the tires while spinning it on a lathe. I hated to see rubber being removed from a perfectly good tire. However, it worked great. Just a thought.
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Re: Having a real problem getting my new Y2k's balanced (ittlfly)
sounds like old equipment or a bad tire, i've never had a problem like that. you didn't buy those heavy azz run flat things did you? those things weigh so much i have no idea how they would ever balance out correctly. the factory does it with outside weights but my word. that's the heaviest tire i have ever felt in my life ick... :sad:
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Re: Having a real problem getting my new Y2k's balanced (gtsyellow)
No they're not "runflats". Even though these Y2K wheels are quite a bit larger than the Cragar SS's I had on my old Mopar, they are considerably lighter. And the tires are exact size type and brand replacements as came with the 'vette in '96, (except the fronts are now the same size as the rears).
I had suggested they put weights on the inside of the spokes, but the wheel man didn't think they would stay very long (the inside surface of the spoke is rather course and rough).
I think I will have the tires shaved tomorrow to make them as close to perfectly round as possible and see if that helps. Other than that, I'm at a loss as to what to do.
Karl
I had suggested they put weights on the inside of the spokes, but the wheel man didn't think they would stay very long (the inside surface of the spoke is rather course and rough).
I think I will have the tires shaved tomorrow to make them as close to perfectly round as possible and see if that helps. Other than that, I'm at a loss as to what to do.
Karl
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Re: Having a real problem getting my new Y2k's balanced (MagikDraggin)
Magik: Try this link; http://www.gsp9700.com This will take you to the Hunter 9700 tire balancer site. This is considered state of the art. A local tire dealer has one in Cedar Rapids and did mine on the GS with very few weights. There is a dealer locater bubble near the top of the page. They should be able to help you get the tires on correctly. //Dave
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Re: Having a real problem getting my new Y2k's balanced (GS583)
ditto on the hunter 9700. I just had this done. The put weigths on the inside and they stayed on even though it was rough. This machine takes care of any tire / wheel related vibration. Get it done with that and you should be all set :cheers:
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Re: Having a real problem getting my new Y2k's balanced (robertpel9)
Sounds like a couple pretty strong votes of confidence there.
I set up an appointment tomorrow with a place in town which has one of those Hunter gadgets.
I'll let ya all know the results. Thanks for the info.
Karl
I set up an appointment tomorrow with a place in town which has one of those Hunter gadgets.
I'll let ya all know the results. Thanks for the info.
Karl
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Re: Having a real problem getting my new Y2k's balanced (MagikDraggin)
you put a 275/285 on the front 8.5" wide wheel? ouch? just noticed the front is the same as the rear statement. did i read that wrong?
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Re: Having a real problem getting my new Y2k's balanced (MagikDraggin)
Yeah, I have ysed one of those Hunter 9700s, real nice machine. You can check road force variation, and it has a gyro that places the weights exactly where neede, no eyeballing. If you can find a shop that has one of these I bet that they can get the tires balanced.
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Re: Having a real problem getting my new Y2k's balanced (MagikDraggin)
The GSP9700 machine is what was used to balance my tires, it really does a nice job.
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Re: Having a real problem getting my new Y2k's balanced
yes find a hunter machine, and someone who knows how to use it :smash: otherwise it's a waste of $25 per wheel.
I had my F-body done at $25 /wheel, and the guy didn't know how to use it properly. still have a slight vibe, although not as bad as before.
I had my F-body done at $25 /wheel, and the guy didn't know how to use it properly. still have a slight vibe, although not as bad as before.
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Re: Having a real problem getting my new Y2k's balanced (larryfs)
25 bucks a wheel !! That si outrageous. I called several shops that had the machine. The highest price i go was 20 a wheel and the lowest was 10. I went with a goodyear dealer in providence at 12,95 a wheel coupled with a 56 dollar 4 wheel alignment with hunter equipment and my car feels smoot and vibration free from 0-130 mph. Shop around, the prices will vary substantially. This shop let me in the garage to watch the whole thing. It was rather interesting as the 9700 will mark exactly where to put the weights, then the wheel is spun agian until you get a 0.00 reading. Good luck, its worth the 120 i spent on balance and vibration to have it done right. Not to mention i probably just added 10,000 miles to the life of my GS-C's. Let us know how it goes.