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Old Feb 9, 2021 | 10:20 PM
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Hi all, I’ve got a strange one here. Took the 93 out. Hadn’t been driven in a few weeks. Running, driving good all of a sudden my power steering doesn’t work. Turned it around, drove it 10 miles back home. Popped the hood and no belts are turning. Motor runs fine, didn’t get hot, battery light came on also. How is it possible for motor to run, and no belts/pulley turning? Thanks
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Old Feb 9, 2021 | 10:39 PM
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I can turn the belt by hand by turning the alternator blades. I’ll look closer at the inner crank pulley but doesn’t appear the outer is turning.
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Old Feb 10, 2021 | 12:19 AM
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Old Feb 10, 2021 | 01:17 AM
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Is the tensioner marker within limits?
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Old Feb 10, 2021 | 02:00 AM
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It's a '93 base, which is an LT-1. Feel inside the center of the crank pulley. Can you feel a hex bolt head in there?

If I had to throw a guess out there, I'd guess you lost the crank hub bolt, and your crank hub assembly is now just sitting on the end of the crank. The crank is spinning in place, but the hub isn't moving anymore. If this happened, then it'd be pretty bad mojo.
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Old Feb 10, 2021 | 04:02 AM
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HAD this happen. was a small spray of leaking coolant caused the belt to slip. I hope so
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Old Feb 10, 2021 | 06:45 AM
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I had the same thing happen but it was on my LS6. I have F-body accessories on it. The power steering pulley on those are plastic. The center that presses onto the pump shaft is steel that is just glued into the outer plastic pulley. The glue let loose after showing off with some burnouts for my kid. Anyway the pulley never came off. But when the belt would turn it wouldn't turn the pump shaft. Took me a while to find it. I thought I had a bad pump at first.
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..... As I recall , the LT1 crank hub is a press fit ... no keyway to drive the hub ... your hub may be spinning on the crank snout ... it didn't get hot because the water pump is gear driven by the engine ... no belt .....
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Originally Posted by mr.hammond
Hi all, I’ve got a strange one here. Took the 93 out. Hadn’t been driven in a few weeks. Running, driving good all of a sudden my power steering doesn’t work. Turned it around, drove it 10 miles back home. Popped the hood and no belts are turning. Motor runs fine, didn’t get hot, battery light came on also. How is it possible for motor to run, and no belts/pulley turning? Thanks
I will admit that I don't know how it's configured on a 93 (or to be honest even on a C4 in general), but I have seen some cars where the crank pulley is a two-piece pulley with a center section composed of essentially high-density rubber to dampen vibrations, etc. My wife drove her Hyundai through a flooded street once and the rapid temperature shift so quickly caused the metal to shrink and it litterally sheared the rubber apart and now the inner pulley section could spin, but the outer section driving the belts stayed stationary. In hers it was really easy to find because the failure was so violent it actually dropped the outer half of the pulley out the bottom of the engine compartment. A similar effect could happen I would guess if a press-fit pulley spun loose or a key or spline sheared, etc.
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Originally Posted by mr.hammond
Hi all, I’ve got a strange one here. Took the 93 out. Hadn’t been driven in a few weeks. Running, driving good all of a sudden my power steering doesn’t work. Turned it around, drove it 10 miles back home. Popped the hood and no belts are turning. Motor runs fine, didn’t get hot, battery light came on also. How is it possible for motor to run, and no belts/pulley turning? Thanks
I should have read your post more carefully. I don't know why I originally thought you meant the power steering pulley wasn't turning. If your engine is running and the belt isn't turning then you need to pull your drive pulley and see whats going on. Hopefully it's just a failed 2 piece dampener and not an undercut on the crank. If it were a race car (or my car) and the crank snout was undercut, I would just weld the pulley on the crank and run it. But I'm sure most people would disagree.
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If nothing is turning, my first recommendation is to check the tensioner. Tensioners are probably $50 or less...might as well get a new belt too. I daily drove an LT1 for over 200K miles, never had a crank pulley issue...that would be the next thing to check...and check every other accessory pulley.

While a leaking water pump, or going through a deep puddle, can cause power steering issues...these are usually intermittent issues and the other accessories will still be turning.
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Old Feb 10, 2021 | 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by mr.hammond
I can turn the belt by hand by turning the alternator blades. I’ll look closer at the inner crank pulley but doesn’t appear the outer is turning.
This is the part that almost every single person commenting in this thread has managed to not notice.
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Finally got to check it out. Your suspicion is correct. No center bolt, only the 3 on the harmonic balancer.
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Old Feb 21, 2021 | 12:28 AM
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Originally Posted by mr.hammond
Finally got to check it out. Your suspicion is correct. No center bolt, only the 3 on the harmonic balancer.
You are in a big, big pickle. This means your crankshaft has been spinning wildly within the balancer hub. I've never seen that happen, but I can't help but think that that's been causing some "self-clearancing" if you know what I mean. If you're lucky, all it's been doing is destroying the balancer hub, and your crankshaft snout is fine. This is because it's not a big deal to go buy another hub and balancer. But if the crank snout has been clearancing itself inside the hub, you are looking at a very extensive and expensive rebuild.

See if you can get an endoscope to look at the crank snout's threads. If the bolt sheared inside you're also in a pickle. If the threads are toast and that's why the bolt flew out you're also in a pickle.

Best of luck, sir.
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Originally Posted by Nomake Wan
You are in a big, big pickle. This means your crankshaft has been spinning wildly within the balancer hub. I've never seen that happen, but I can't help but think that that's been causing some "self-clearancing" if you know what I mean. If you're lucky, all it's been doing is destroying the balancer hub, and your crankshaft snout is fine. This is because it's not a big deal to go buy another hub and balancer. But if the crank snout has been clearancing itself inside the hub, you are looking at a very extensive and expensive rebuild.
I'm thinking there is a sleeve kit of some sort that can restore crank snout diameter without a ton of effort. I have a vague memory of a video in which someone installed one. But I wouldn't want to bet my life on it...

See if you can get an endoscope to look at the crank snout's threads. If the bolt sheared inside you're also in a pickle. If the threads are toast and that's why the bolt flew out you're also in a pickle.
Agreed: both of those are going to be hard or impossible to fix with the engine in the car.

PS - And now I'm hungry for a pickle...

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Old Feb 24, 2021 | 10:13 PM
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Hopefully just the bolt came out. I had one snap before. Had to use a reverse drill bit etc with a 90 drill. Not fun at all.
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