Does anybody on here have a renegade intake manifold. Where can you buy one?

 

Uh Oh.....

 

Ebay maybe... mine is collecting dust in the corner of the garage for reasons I don't feel like explaining again. In short... the company that was doing the manufacturing didn't have a department that we refer to as "quality control." Mind you this isn't the creator but the group that was using the tooling to produce them.

 

no need to explain, I can hear your pain in your typing.

but it does look like a better unit than stock with the large ports.

 

It's a beautiful unit. But... mine happened to just be the bad end of a machining on a batch. If you find a used one with a serial number... snag it. It should be perfect. Like I said. The product was well designed. The company that was executing on that design just let it go to crap... if you scroll through reviews you'll see the issues and that was only because of EMS. If memory serves this thread documents it well.

Hell if you want mine go right ahead... just don't be disappointed when you find out why I had to dump it. It would be on my current build if I knew it would seal up... I just know that's a pipe dream given the port mismatch.

 

way she goes.

 

that really sucks. I remember what happened from your earlier post.

 

What annoyed me most with it was ecklers. They documented the issue immediately following installation then refused to honor it down the line when I had the time to get it out. Like I get it was out of warranty but at the same time I have hundreds of customers where we document the issue under warranty then let them get the season out of it (it was documented but why lose the time if it works for them) and then we replace. So long as it can be back dated with proof my vendors don't care. I don't care either as it is easier to deal with out of peak season. But they were just nasty about it and it is what it is... A 500$ door stop. I've tried to make it work. Believe me.

 

Back in the day I had a different "high flow" CFI intake. I think it was called the X ram or something like that. It used a two piece upper and lower design. It worked okay. I liked it because it used a Holley square bore opening on the lower half so I could use a standard nitrous plate.

 

I ordered one from ecklers, but it was after they stopped selling them. they still charged my card . it took a month or 2 and a couple of phone calls to get money back. I don't buy from them anymore.

 

Ecklers was among the first Corvette-centric companies out there. They always held themselves in high regards, but customer service is non- existent. Sadly, someone at Ecklers thinks they are saving money by screwing customers, not honoring warranties and returns. They have generated a lot of bad will and now have a bad reputation among enthusiasts. It’s the source of last resort.

 

And now they are begging for business continually sending discount emails to try and win customers back. Easy to lose customers but a nightmare trying get them back.

 

they started sending me emails. there plenty of other places that sell corvette parts.

 

Would you like to sell your Renegade? If you know of one I'm looking. Thanks

 

this guy didn't like his. maybe he still has it. this is from 3 years ago. Maybe you can figure out how to get ahold of him.

 

Unless your going to change heads , there's not much to gain

 

Have you ever seen a stock cfi intake? Its much more restrictive then the heads. Will you make 300hp with just one? Not likely but a 25-30hp gain is possible.

 

Back when my 84 still had CFI a bunch of guys here and over on the Crossfire injection forum sent intake manifolds to Extrude Hone in Irwin PA. Back then I remember guys claimed there porting service gave better results then the x-ram (another aftermarket manifold at that time). I know they are still in business because I drive by the place every now and then when I go through Pittsburgh. Give them a call and see what they have to say. I know they used to flow bench test customers intakes before and after abrasive porting.

 

true. maybe 240hp. I would change heads, with ported heads.
stock heads flow 184 cfm intake and 135 cfm exhaust, with stock cam. with mild porting, just a cleanup of stock intake manifold will flow 185. I've been testing stock intake, they don't flow 185, more like 165 if it's a good port, but there a lot of imperfections in a stock port. the diffuser under TB is a choke point. still testing.
stock intake port is 1"x 1.39", but not consistent. CSA is 1.39". 1.39x 133= 184.87cfm. so a cleanup is all you need.
135/184.87=73% 184.87x.26= 48.06x8=384x73%=280hp that would be max.but most likely not that high. crank HP.
clean up stock intake manifold, remove or modify diffusers is all that's needed for stock heads and cam.
I have also ran a lot of simulations with stock heads, cam and aftermarket heads and cams. cams 270 duration and under the stock cam does well.
I think it's better to have better flowing heads then to change the cam. unless you want to go big. in that case there is going to be many changes throughout the car. I personally don't want to do that.
my conclusion is for stock heads and camshaft. clean up intake ports and remove or modify diffusers is all that necessary.

 

I had my original crossfire intake extrude honed, I seem to remember it was over $300 back in 1999. It basically looks like a polish job as not much material was removed. The best bet if you're going that route is hand port it first then ship it to them. I ended up just switching to the truck style tbi unit and run any 4bbl intake that I want.