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Old Sep 29, 2024 | 08:59 PM
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So i know a little about engines and mechanics but I'm by no means and expert or even have in-depth knowledge, especially with the more technical mechanical aspects of engines and the control/managements systems. My expertise is in Industrial Electronics & Communications, so I'm technical and I can Test, troubleshoot, bypass, engineer, modify and so on, but I don't know enough about how those management systems work to do much. I do know a little about mechanics in general haveing grown up on a farm working tractors and every other type and piece of equipment you can imagine. That being said, I have a 1987 C4 with the 2 cats coming off each side of the manifold then one bigger cat further back under the car. Removing the center cat would be fairly simple as all it has is a pipe going back to the air pump.

1st question. If i remove that center cat, do i just cap of the pipe at either end or anything i have to do?
2nd question. If i wanted to remove the 2 small cats coming off each side of the manifold, what becomes of the oxygen sensors? how does that affect the management system and what can I do to fix, bypass, or compensate?
Hoping someone can shed some light on this for me.

As a side note, the exhaust pipe broke right behind the big center cat that goes to the muffles and is dragging so I have to do some exhaust work IMMEDIATELY. Since the exhaust system on that car is choked fairly well, I want to use the repair opportunity to do some upgrades.

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Assuming you do not have emissions testing, You can remove it all. No codes. 1 o2 sensor. On my prior 1989 coupe, I replaced the front y pipe with a new one that had only the center cat and a rear with crossover and no mufflers. Added flowmasters later. 20 years ago.

My current 1989 roadster. Front cats already gone, I cut everything out from about steering wheel back. Fitted a true duel system with h pipe and chambered sections for an LT style ‘92-‘96 car. Made it feel like a Vette. A little loud and I may fit mufflers at some point or headers with bullet cats.

Neither of these setups caused any drivability issues or codes. The factory exhaust y pipe setup from ‘75-‘91 simply sucked.
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And, do not cap the pump line to center cat. I disconnected the rubber hose to the metal line that went to center cat. It now blows air into the wheel well area.
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Assuming you do not have emissions testing, You can remove it all. No codes. 1 o2 sensor. On my prior 1989 coupe, I replaced the front y pipe with a new one that had only the center cat and a rear with crossover and no mufflers. Added flowmasters later. 20 years ago.

My current 1989 roadster. Front cats already gone, I cut everything out from about steering wheel back. Fitted a true duel system with h pipe and chambered sections for an LT style ‘92-‘96 car. Made it feel like a Vette. A little loud and I may fit mufflers at some point or headers with bullet cats.

Neither of these setups caused any drivability issues or codes. The factory exhaust y pipe setup from ‘75-‘91 simply sucked.
Thanks for the Info.

Yes. I'm not concerned about emissions testing. Today I just ordered a front Y pipe to eliminate the front Pre-cats. I also ordered the Flowmaster Force-II cat-back system. All I have to add is a small section to join the 2 halves when eliminating the main center cat. I heard a sound demo of the the Flowmaster cat-back, the Corsa cat-back, Mangaflow cat-back. The Corsa sounded bad to the bone, like a demon, but It was quite loud with a bit of racking and If i remove the center cat, it's going to be even louder so i didn't want that. If it could have had the same sound but quieter, then i would have gotten it. The Mangaflow didn't sound very good. It could possibly be better without the cats but, didn't sound like a corvette. It was high pitched and sounded like a Ferrari, so I don't want that either. I opted for the Flowmaster because it had a deeper resonance and sound like a corvette should sound with slightly louder that the chocked factory system. I figure that removing the cat will increase it a bit and let it breathe better. I will be deleting all 3 cats so this is why I need to know what to do with the pipe that goes to the main cat and the 02 sensor.

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And, do not cap the pump line to center cat. I disconnected the rubber hose to the metal line that went to center cat. It now blows air into the wheel well area.
Good to know. I will disconnect the the same rubber hose for now. I have a air pump eliminator kit ordered. So what becomes of the 02 sensor? It is mounted right below flange where the new Y pipe will bolt up. Do i leave it connected and zip tied? Wouldn't that throw off the fuel/air mixture? Would it be better to add a bunghole to screw in the 02 sensor? How would that affect fuel/air mixture? Or is there another solution?
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I found a solution. I'm going to weld on a 02 bung saddle on the new Y pipe just below the manifold flange.
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I found a solution. I'm going to weld on a 02 bung saddle on the new Y pipe just below the manifold flange.
Good plan. I don’t see any issues with that. My ‘89 with no cats, disconnected AIR pump hose in wheel well, h-pipe, and no mufflers has the O2 in stock location. No codes or CE light.
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