Dyno tuning ain't cheap!!!
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Dyno tuning ain't cheap!!!
WOW! I got an intermediate quote and it's between $800-$1,200. I expected it to be at most $800. Oh well.
I'm sure I'm not going to regret putting the blower on but it's so much more expensive than nitrous. If I had to do it again I think I would have just run nitrous until I got my motor built.....and then run both.
I'm sure I'm not going to regret putting the blower on but it's so much more expensive than nitrous. If I had to do it again I think I would have just run nitrous until I got my motor built.....and then run both.
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Re: Dyno tuning ain't cheap!!! (scorp508)
Is $120 good or bad? how many hours we talkin' here???
Don't get wrong, $120 hr is expensive no matter what I'm paying for, but I'm just curious how many hours this might take.
Don't get wrong, $120 hr is expensive no matter what I'm paying for, but I'm just curious how many hours this might take.
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Re: Dyno tuning ain't cheap!!! (vvv90)
Scorp... he means having the Dyno place dyno the car and make a custom prom for him right on the spot for the tune. Not just run it and twist the AFPR and FMU screws
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Re: Dyno tuning ain't cheap!!! (StealDads67)
Speed Demon was getting $500 for a dyno tune the last I heard. I'm sure Chris gets a "little" more for blower cars but $1200? You might want to give him a ring. Link is in my sig. :cheers:
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Re: Dyno tuning ain't cheap!!! (R94 LT 1)
You are about to learn why I have always recommended to go DFI.
Not only is it cheaper in the long run but with the chips you never get it right maybe close but never dead nuts on. Then you make a change to the engine and you have to pay another $800.00 to tune it again. When I bought my new Gen.7 wide band I sold my Gen.6 for $ 600.00 complete with everything why would anyone pay more for a chip. :crazy:
Not only is it cheaper in the long run but with the chips you never get it right maybe close but never dead nuts on. Then you make a change to the engine and you have to pay another $800.00 to tune it again. When I bought my new Gen.7 wide band I sold my Gen.6 for $ 600.00 complete with everything why would anyone pay more for a chip. :crazy:
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Re: Dyno tuning ain't cheap!!! (vvv90)
I spent about $1200 for a dyno tune and I'm not terribly satisfied with what I got. If I was doing it all over, I would follow Black Bart's recommendation. While there are some folks who have been able to get their tune right, these are people who spend a ridiculous amount of time in doing so. From wha tI've read, people take months of constant tweaking to get their tune right with chips.
A DFI with wideband O2 is ulitmately the route that I will take.
A DFI with wideband O2 is ulitmately the route that I will take.
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Re: Dyno tuning ain't cheap!!! (scorp508)
MAN! Every single day I learn so much new stuff from this site.
What is a DFI and Gen 7 :crazy:
May sound stupid that I don't already know, but heck, if I have to spend $800 every time I make a mod to my car I'm going to broke really fast. I'm going to search the archives for this, but if anyone would like to enlighten me I appreciate it.
YOU GUYS ROCK!
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What is a DFI and Gen 7 :crazy:
May sound stupid that I don't already know, but heck, if I have to spend $800 every time I make a mod to my car I'm going to broke really fast. I'm going to search the archives for this, but if anyone would like to enlighten me I appreciate it.
YOU GUYS ROCK!
:cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
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Re: Dyno tuning ain't cheap!!! (vvv90)
MAN! Every single day I learn so much new stuff from this site.
What is a DFI and Gen 7 :crazy:
May sound stupid that I don't already know, but heck, if I have to spend $800 every time I make a mod to my car I'm going to broke really fast. I'm going to search the archives for this, but if anyone would like to enlighten me I appreciate it.
YOU GUYS ROCK!
:cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
What is a DFI and Gen 7 :crazy:
May sound stupid that I don't already know, but heck, if I have to spend $800 every time I make a mod to my car I'm going to broke really fast. I'm going to search the archives for this, but if anyone would like to enlighten me I appreciate it.
YOU GUYS ROCK!
:cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Rather than type pages of info here is the site. http://mrgasket.com
This is made by accel click on catalogs/accel then DFI lots of info there.
With this unit you just type in the air/fuel ratio that you want the engine to run at and it will do it. You can also type the a/f ratio that you want while using NOS and it will control it and even allow you to type in the leanest a/f ratio that you will allow and if something happens that it drops below that it will shut the nirous off. It does way too much to try to explain it here. Check it out. Stop :banghead: on the chips. :seeya
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Re: Dyno tuning ain't cheap!!! (black bart)
Right now I'm checking it out, but one quick question, do I need to have some sort of wide band 02 sensor installed on the car? How else does the computer KNOW what the A/F is??? Sorry, I guess I just need to do my research but you got me excited about this :cool: :cheers: :eek: :yesnod: :flag :chevy :party: :hurray: :seeya :steering: :thumbs: :D :) ;) :auto: :grouphug:
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Re: Dyno tuning ain't cheap!!! (vvv90)
Right now I'm checking it out, but one quick question, do I need to have some sort of wide band 02 sensor installed on the car? How else does the computer KNOW what the A/F is???
The Gen.7 comes in different stages a standard model a pro version and you can buy it with or without the wide band. If you order the wide band the sensor and evrything comes in the kit. The wide band option adds about 1k to the price but not going with the wide band is a big mistake the narrow band is like a model T ford compared to the wide band. Think about this you hear guys talking about tuning for nitrous well with wide band it will adjust your fuel for you no need to keep reading plugs and changing jets to get the A/F ratio right. I bought mine from blood enterprises http://www.bloodenterprises.com
give them a call they will answer any questions you have. You will need a laptop that can run windows to tune the car so if you don't have one you need to keep that in mind because that is more $$$$$$$$$$
If you talk to people that have dyno's with the wide band readout on them they will tell you that all the cars with the mail order chips do not have the right A/F ratio. Not only does it cause poor performance but increased pollution and poor fuel mileage. :seeya
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Re: Dyno tuning ain't cheap!!! (black bart)
I just talked to somebody at Blood (Chris I think) He was pretty helpful. $1,700 + $956 for O2 setup. WOW that's expensive, but if I'm going to be getting some sicko horsepower from this thing in the future I guess this is a must anyway. He stated that they provide free tech support to get the car dialed in as best they can over the phone, but he still recommended getting it dyno tuned for optimization anyway.
I'll be in the scan and tune section asking lots of Q's though. Thanks BlackBart, if you have any more input I'm all ears.
I'm not sure if I have to confidence to tackle detailed tuning issues like this. I know the basics and preventative steps and I'm learning more everyday. The electronics and tuning involved seem kind of overwhelming to me .... at least now.
My monza only requires a stupid timing light, some carb adjustments, and a twist of the dist. These EFI motors are :crazy:
I'll be in the scan and tune section asking lots of Q's though. Thanks BlackBart, if you have any more input I'm all ears.
I'm not sure if I have to confidence to tackle detailed tuning issues like this. I know the basics and preventative steps and I'm learning more everyday. The electronics and tuning involved seem kind of overwhelming to me .... at least now.
My monza only requires a stupid timing light, some carb adjustments, and a twist of the dist. These EFI motors are :crazy:
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Re: Dyno tuning ain't cheap!!! (vvv90)
Matt I bought the pro version with wide band from them for$2350.00 but that was with no support. If you think you will need support then they get more for spending time on the phone with you. Only you know which is for you.
also if you check other forums like thirdgen.org you can find a Gen.6 for
$500 to 600 but it is not wide band. Also their is companys that make wide band kits to add to your car and it makes it easy to tune the old DFI units. Lots of options. If you spend money on a chip then that just puts you in the same boat as a lot of others that wish they had of spent the extra money and went for a dfi to start with. I used a Gen.6 until this spring it was a lot harder to tune but main reason I changed was the 6 would not run the 83 lb. injectors that I needed.
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also if you check other forums like thirdgen.org you can find a Gen.6 for
$500 to 600 but it is not wide band. Also their is companys that make wide band kits to add to your car and it makes it easy to tune the old DFI units. Lots of options. If you spend money on a chip then that just puts you in the same boat as a lot of others that wish they had of spent the extra money and went for a dfi to start with. I used a Gen.6 until this spring it was a lot harder to tune but main reason I changed was the 6 would not run the 83 lb. injectors that I needed.
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Re: Dyno tuning ain't cheap!!! (black bart)
2350 isn't as bad...I was just hoping to run my stock motor w/ p1-sc kit as cheap and reliable as I could for now. It appears that I am definitely going to get some sort of EFI computer control solution some day. I really like the DFI, it sounds like a great opportunity to get myself education on the tuning of EFI motors. I'm currently debating about sending my chip to ed wright and heading off to the dyno, repeat if necessary just to run like I am for a while as reliably as possible.
I probably would require support considering I'm such a newby. $350 for no support is quite a discount through.
One question, if I run a Gen 6 and get a separate custom wide band O2 sensor setup like you suggested, how would the info from my wideband get computed into the Gen 6? I'm guessing I would just get the reading from the wide band gauge and then program my fuel map manually right??? I think I could live with the Gen 6 @ less than half the price. I don't think I'll require 83lb injectors for quite some time :lol:
Hey, how far is LaFontaine Indiana from Chicago anyway? I'd love to see that black beauty of yours sometime.....It would give me an excuse for a road trip too :thumbs:
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I probably would require support considering I'm such a newby. $350 for no support is quite a discount through.
One question, if I run a Gen 6 and get a separate custom wide band O2 sensor setup like you suggested, how would the info from my wideband get computed into the Gen 6? I'm guessing I would just get the reading from the wide band gauge and then program my fuel map manually right??? I think I could live with the Gen 6 @ less than half the price. I don't think I'll require 83lb injectors for quite some time :lol:
Hey, how far is LaFontaine Indiana from Chicago anyway? I'd love to see that black beauty of yours sometime.....It would give me an excuse for a road trip too :thumbs:
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Re: Dyno tuning ain't cheap!!! (vvv90)
One question, if I run a Gen 6 and get a separate custom wide band O2 sensor setup like you suggested, how would the info from my wideband get computed into the Gen 6? I'm guessing I would just get the reading from the wide band gauge and then program my fuel map manually right??? I think I could live with the Gen 6 @ less than half the price. I don't think I'll require 83lb injectors for quite some time :lol:
Right that is exactly how it would work and that unit sells for $ 500.00 so you would have about $ 1100.00 in it about have the price of the Gen.7 The 7 has features that the 6 don't but the 6 with a wide band gauge would be light years ahead of a mail ordered chip.
Hey, how far is LaFontaine Indiana from Chicago anyway? I'd love to see that black beauty of yours sometime.....It would give me an excuse for a road trip too :thumbs:
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Probably four hours drive from you place.
Summer fore last I went to route 66 and I would have made it well under three hours but I had to explain to a Indiana trooper why I was driving 135 mph. :cry :blueangel:
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Re: Dyno tuning ain't cheap!!! (black bart)
I had to explain to a Indiana trooper why I was driving 135 mph. :cry :blueangel:
Awesome, I'm getting on the reasearch for this right now! Thanks for your help!
Next time you go to 66 let me know I'll meet you down there. :thumbs:
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Re: Dyno tuning ain't cheap!!! (vvv90)
the whole state of michigan doesn't have a single compitent (sp? :confused: ) tuner! I am throwing the car on a car tailer and towin her over to buffalo NY to kenny's dyno tune. 4 hr drive out there, but there are some cool guys out there that I trust.
Anyone know of anyone remotely reliable in michigan- Flint(for school! I swear I dont livethere!) or Detriot area?
Please dont even mention detriot speed works...
Anyone know of anyone remotely reliable in michigan- Flint(for school! I swear I dont livethere!) or Detriot area?
Please dont even mention detriot speed works...
