Read CAR and Driver
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Read CAR and Driver
Have you seen the new Mustang and Vette on Car and Driver?
Looks like the 1992-1996 Vettes can still beat or stay with the 2005 Mustang isnt that cool. The 1992 Vette had 300hp in 1992. The Mustang Gt finally gets 300 hp. 13 years later!!! Now thats cool, took them awhile to catch up to a 92 vette. Vettes rule....
Looks like the 1992-1996 Vettes can still beat or stay with the 2005 Mustang isnt that cool. The 1992 Vette had 300hp in 1992. The Mustang Gt finally gets 300 hp. 13 years later!!! Now thats cool, took them awhile to catch up to a 92 vette. Vettes rule....
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St. Jude Donor '06
Re: Read CAR and Driver (Darth Vader)
True, but I still respect them and the cobra had over 300 hp a while ago. Stock to stock the two are close and usually down to the driver...
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Re: Read CAR and Driver (Darth Vader)
And I think there is a neat interview with Jesse James in there too.
Drifting
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Re: Read CAR and Driver (Darth Vader)
Don't belittle yourself or your Corvette by comparing it to the mustang :D
Totally different cars in totally different classes.
We owned a 2000GT and I'll tell you for the 20K it cost the car was a scream. Was it as fast or as much fun to drive as my 89, hell no. But then the vette did cost 37K - fifteen years ago.
Totally different cars in totally different classes.
We owned a 2000GT and I'll tell you for the 20K it cost the car was a scream. Was it as fast or as much fun to drive as my 89, hell no. But then the vette did cost 37K - fifteen years ago.
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From: South Lyon Michigan
Re: Read CAR and Driver (Jbaker)
Don't forget that the new GT only has 315 ft/lbs torque. Yes, we all know that a C4 will toast a new GT in handling for sure and probably at the drags. A GT could hold 4 people though, its in a different class as the vette. I tried to compare my 85 vette to the new C6. So far I like the car but not too impressed because it is built on the same chassis as the C5. I figure that a new C6 Z51 car will beat my 85 in braking but other than that the C6 should come down to the driver against my 85 for any other advantages (other than comfort and perhaps gas mileage). I'm waiting until the 2006 Z07 comes out. I really have high hopes for them and can't wait until I can ever get one. As far as the C6, I think I would prefer a 2002 Z06 over the new base vette.
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From: langhorne
Re: Read CAR and Driver (jp2002ls1)
It's to soon for me to make up my mind about the C6 but as a life long Chevy guy I have to say the new Mustang looks very cool... for what it is. As an older guy I remember : The Mustang was built to compete with the Camaro and Trans Am. They are now gone. Why? Not enough loyalty I guess. Even tho I am an avowed Vette lover I can still give props to a cool new Mustang. For what it is. :jester
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Re: Read CAR and Driver (Gar)
:iagree:
I'm open minded enough to say that the '05 Mustang is cool looking. I won't be buying one though. Don't have that kind of cash. I'd rather restore a '67 fastback if a Ford was going to take up space in my garage.
I'm open minded enough to say that the '05 Mustang is cool looking. I won't be buying one though. Don't have that kind of cash. I'd rather restore a '67 fastback if a Ford was going to take up space in my garage.
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Re: Read CAR and Driver (Darth Vader)
This is the prime example of the complete inferiority of Ford's engine design staff and management:
A 2005 mustang, with a physically huge, heavy, and complex, and expensive to manufacture (many more parts than a push rod v8) engine, with overhead cams, 3 valves per cylinder, and variable valve timing ... makes less horsepower per liter of engine displacement than does the new corvette with a simple but elegant 2 valve pushrod V8.
That folks, is complete domination by GM's Powertrain division over Ford's sorry engine development staff.
[Modified by Mr6spd, 10:24 PM 1/11/2004]
A 2005 mustang, with a physically huge, heavy, and complex, and expensive to manufacture (many more parts than a push rod v8) engine, with overhead cams, 3 valves per cylinder, and variable valve timing ... makes less horsepower per liter of engine displacement than does the new corvette with a simple but elegant 2 valve pushrod V8.
That folks, is complete domination by GM's Powertrain division over Ford's sorry engine development staff.
[Modified by Mr6spd, 10:24 PM 1/11/2004]
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Re: Read CAR and Driver
what is this mustang thing you speak of :confused:
seriously, if you think that just now a mustang has caught up or is close, you are forgetting about many of the mustangs in the late 80's / early 90's that would come close to straight line acceleration for a fraction of the cost - No matter what, they were not a Corvette and do NOT compete for the same dollars in the buying market.
mustangs were f body competition, not Y body... :steering:
seriously, if you think that just now a mustang has caught up or is close, you are forgetting about many of the mustangs in the late 80's / early 90's that would come close to straight line acceleration for a fraction of the cost - No matter what, they were not a Corvette and do NOT compete for the same dollars in the buying market.
mustangs were f body competition, not Y body... :steering:
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From: AUGUSTA GA
Re: Read CAR and Driver (Mr6spd)
JUST MY 2 CENTS WORTH SINCE I OWN BOTH A CORVETTE AND 3 MUSTANGS INCLUDING A 93 R MODEL. MY YELLOW 96 VETTE IS HANDS DOWN THE FASTEST AND BEST HANDLING OF THE BUNCH AND A VERY FUN CAR TO DRIVE. THE CATCH IS TO COMPARE THE PRICE OF THE DIFFERENT VEHICLES. THE MUSTANG HAS FINALLY CAUGHT UP IN hp 10 YEARS LATER BUT IS STILL CHEAPER IF YOU COMPARE THE STICKER PRICE OF A NEW gt AND WHAT THE STICKER PRICE OF A 92 LT1 CAR WAS . I LOVE ALL MY CARS AND IT COMES DOWN TO THE OLD ADAGE OF COMPARING APPLES AND ORANGES. THE CARS ARE VERY DIFFERENT IN EVERY WAY, AND EITHER ONE OF THEM IS 10 TIMES BETTER THAN THOSE ANNOYING RICERS WITH THE LOUD COFFEE CAN MUFFLERS. I WILL NOTE THAT MY 96 VETTE NEEDS A CLUTCH AT 36000 MILES WHILE THE 92 NOTCH I DRIVE EVERY DAY IS STILL STROLLING ALONG AT 180000 WITH THE STOCK PIECE. AND IF SPEED IS YOUR THING IT IS MUCH CHEAPER TO MOD A 87-93 MUSTANG THAN ANY OTHER CAR ON THE ROAD. THEY HAVE BECOME THE MODERN ERA 69 CAMARO. :D
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Re: Read CAR and Driver (speedracer1996)
I like mustangs... old and new.. great car for the $$$.. A good friend of mine has a 2001 GT and it looks sweet and rides good too... BTW: it does one thing vettes can't.. 2nd gear chirps with three people in the car.. the modding of the ustang with begin soon.. they are cheap cheap cheap to mod!!
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Re: Read CAR and Driver (CYLT4)
Hey CYLT4!!!! you have a 93 r model? I saw a real one of those race a very fast c4 and beat it. Those are really cool cars if it is a real one!
I love my 92! :flag
Ooops I was thinkin of a 95R model but I bet a 93 is cool being in to old body style.
[Modified by VictorRussell'92, 4:39 PM 1/12/2004]
I love my 92! :flag
Ooops I was thinkin of a 95R model but I bet a 93 is cool being in to old body style.
[Modified by VictorRussell'92, 4:39 PM 1/12/2004]
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Re: Read CAR and Driver (LT-4 CE)
And I think there is a neat interview with Jesse James in there too.
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Re: Read CAR and Driver (65Z01)
I also noted that the Mustang ran the 1/4 mile in ~14-15 sec...about what my bone stock '88 Vette did a few years ago. :jester
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Re: Read CAR and Driver (Mr6spd)
This is the prime example of the complete inferiority of Ford's engine design staff and management:
A 2005 mustang, with a physically huge, heavy, and complex, and expensive to manufacture (many more parts than a push rod v8) engine, with overhead cams, 3 valves per cylinder, and variable valve timing ... makes less horsepower per liter of engine displacement than does the new corvette with a simple but elegant 2 valve pushrod V8.
That folks, is complete domination by GM's Powertrain division over Ford's sorry engine development staff.
A 2005 mustang, with a physically huge, heavy, and complex, and expensive to manufacture (many more parts than a push rod v8) engine, with overhead cams, 3 valves per cylinder, and variable valve timing ... makes less horsepower per liter of engine displacement than does the new corvette with a simple but elegant 2 valve pushrod V8.
That folks, is complete domination by GM's Powertrain division over Ford's sorry engine development staff.
If you really believe HP/Liter means superior engines then I assume you'll be trading in your Vette for a Honda for your next car.
[Modified by Darcane, 3:42 PM 1/12/2004]