Trick Flow heads.
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Melting Slicks
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Trick Flow heads.
Is that a good option? I se that most people run AFR. But its always nice to try something "diffrent".
What trick flow heads should I run with my "new" setup being build.
383
lt4hot cam
miniram
headers.
Thanks
What trick flow heads should I run with my "new" setup being build.
383
lt4hot cam
miniram
headers.
Thanks
Melting Slicks
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From: Cincinnati Oh
Re: Trick Flow heads. (devilfish)
I would probably get the heads with the highest flow numbers... :jester Seriously though, what amount of lift are you thinking of running (1.5 or 1.6)? I'm not sure what the values are on the hotcam, but I do know that the CNC'd trickflow 23-degree heads flow very well compared to other more expensive heads- especially at and under the .500" mark. Their #s can be found on the website, and I would contrast those to the advertised #s of the other heads you're looking at to make sure. But for the money you probably can't go wrong. The twisted wedge heads are probably even better (not CARB legal) than the 23* heads, I just haven't looked lately.
Check out the trickflow website and they'll have all that stuff on there for you to read.
BTW, I have the 23* heads and am very happy with them- but I'm not going all-out either.
:thumbs:
Check out the trickflow website and they'll have all that stuff on there for you to read.
BTW, I have the 23* heads and am very happy with them- but I'm not going all-out either.
:thumbs:
Drifting
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Re: Trick Flow heads. (Ramanstud)
No offense, but the CNC'd 23 degree heads (the smaller port heads) don't flow for crap. I ported a set of 113's that flowed the same at 0.500 and 0.600 as those "Duttweiler" heads, and the 113's ended up with only a 178cc intake port as opposed to the 195 of the TFS heads, which means that the low end flow of the TFS heads is worse. The only heads they have that can flow at all are the R series head, and for a 215cc head, they don't flow either. The AFR competition package 210cc heads have better flow across the entire lift range. Do what you want, but I'm not the least bit impressed with those heads.
Burning Brakes
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Re: Trick Flow heads. (devilfish)
Trick Flow start as a quality option for an era dominated by Edelbrock. IMO Trick flow are an EXCELLENT CHOICE. There are better heads. But let me teach you something if you haven't figured it out yet. For increased performance takes an exponential amount of money. Z51racer is right in that his ported L98 heads may flow more than the TFS (Most L98 end up at 10% less than the unported TFS heads), but porting is the only area where DIY cost is not exponential to performance gains.
I'd say pick a head that you can live with the price a stick with it for your design.
I'd say pick a head that you can live with the price a stick with it for your design.
Le Mans Master
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From: Bartlett IL
Re: Trick Flow heads. (ZD1)
Trick Flow start as a quality option for an era dominated by Edelbrock. IMO Trick flow are an EXCELLENT CHOICE. There are better heads. But let me teach you something if you haven't figured it out yet. For increased performance takes an exponential amount of money. Z51racer is right in that his ported L98 heads may flow more than the TFS (Most L98 end up at 10% less than the unported TFS heads), but porting is the only area where DIY cost is not exponential to performance gains.
I'd say pick a head that you can live with the price a stick with it for your design.
I'd say pick a head that you can live with the price a stick with it for your design.
[Modified by Dominic Sorresso, 10:32 PM 2/14/2004]
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Melting Slicks
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From: Sweden/Stockholm
Re: Trick Flow heads. (devilfish)
So AFR is the only way to go? WHat about the jegs heads ? http://www.jegs.com/cgi-bin/ncommerc...50&prmenbr=361
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Re: Trick Flow heads. (JCAIRE2)
the trick flow twisted wedge heads AREN'T smog legal? whats not legal about them? I bought them a ways back (love em), but I don't have to do emissions till may...
PS: got an 85 and I live in Phoenix
PS: got an 85 and I live in Phoenix
Le Mans Master
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From: Bartlett IL
Re: Trick Flow heads. (Corvettaholic)
the trick flow twisted wedge heads AREN'T smog legal? whats not legal about them? I bought them a ways back (love em), but I don't have to do emissions till may...
PS: got an 85 and I live in Phoenix
PS: got an 85 and I live in Phoenix
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Melting Slicks
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From: Cincinnati Oh
Re: Trick Flow heads. (CorvetteZ51Racer)
No offense, but the CNC'd 23 degree heads (the smaller port heads) don't flow for crap. I ported a set of 113's that flowed the same at 0.500 and 0.600 as those "Duttweiler" heads, and the 113's ended up with only a 178cc intake port as opposed to the 195 of the TFS heads, which means that the low end flow of the TFS heads is worse. The only heads they have that can flow at all are the R series head, and for a 215cc head, they don't flow either. The AFR competition package 210cc heads have better flow across the entire lift range. Do what you want, but I'm not the least bit impressed with those heads.
Are the TFs top of the line? Nope, of course not. But they work pretty damn well so long as you know what you're getting for your money.
:cheers:
Drifting
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From: Houston TX
Re: Trick Flow heads. (Ramanstud)
Are the TFs top of the line? Nope, of course not. But they work pretty damn well so long as you know what you're getting for your money.
Drifting
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From: San Antonio Texas
Re: Trick Flow heads. (CorvetteZ51Racer)
CorvetteZ51Racer..... What do you think of Canfield heads? From what I've read they flow about as well as AFR, though a little weaker on the exhaust. I know you port your own heads, but who do you think makes a good set?
By the way, good to see you back on the forum lately. I wondered what happened to you: always enjoyed reading your input.
:chevy
By the way, good to see you back on the forum lately. I wondered what happened to you: always enjoyed reading your input.
:chevy
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Melting Slicks
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From: Sweden/Stockholm
Re: Trick Flow heads. (87Z-ya)
so in theroy, how much more power can i expect from a CNC ported TS head compared to my ported 113 heads with bigger vavles? Worth the money?
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Re: Trick Flow heads. (devilfish)
Devilfish,
I put on the TFS23d heads completely out of the box. With a very mild CompCam roller, I got an additional 60rwhp from that combo. Chevy HiTech Performance and GMHiTech have done several dyno and flow bench tests with the TFS heads and have gotten excellent results with them. In fact, you can go to the Chevy HiTech Performance website and look at their flowbench library of cylinder heads. When I bought the TFS heads, I got them off eBay and paid $750 for a brand new set. The current prices are higher than that and I would now think twice about buying the AFR 190's instead. Cylinder head flow is one aspect of the performance equation. Chevy Hi Tech flow tests show TFS 23d heads with exhaust flow at about 73-75% of the intake flow. That allows for you to use a single pattern cam. But the combustion chamber design of the TFS heads is also more advanced than the 113 heads.
With 64cc chamber and flattop pistons, they put you somewhere in the 10.3:1 CR range
I put on the TFS23d heads completely out of the box. With a very mild CompCam roller, I got an additional 60rwhp from that combo. Chevy HiTech Performance and GMHiTech have done several dyno and flow bench tests with the TFS heads and have gotten excellent results with them. In fact, you can go to the Chevy HiTech Performance website and look at their flowbench library of cylinder heads. When I bought the TFS heads, I got them off eBay and paid $750 for a brand new set. The current prices are higher than that and I would now think twice about buying the AFR 190's instead. Cylinder head flow is one aspect of the performance equation. Chevy Hi Tech flow tests show TFS 23d heads with exhaust flow at about 73-75% of the intake flow. That allows for you to use a single pattern cam. But the combustion chamber design of the TFS heads is also more advanced than the 113 heads.
With 64cc chamber and flattop pistons, they put you somewhere in the 10.3:1 CR range
