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I have decided that a stock L-98 needs the smaller tubes.....now where do i find them! i live in ontario, and i am having a tough time....besides hedman, who do i go with?
There isn't? Hmmm, then what's this, that I just got off of the top of the page in the C4 parts for sale section?
OK; I see the problem...I have my Forum Preferences set to show 7 days worth of posts; even though that thread is pinned at the top, it only shows up if I reset my prefs to 60 days...
Bad coding on Zeroforum's part, but good to find it out! :thumbs:
Another good reason to post the thread URL! (But feel free to come over and smack the poopie out of me). :crazy:
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St. Jude Donor '04-'05-'06-'07
Re: WHO makes 1 5/8 headers?? (Rich B.)
Glad to see you found it anyway. I usually would post a link when referencing it but I first replied to this post during my insomniac hours, I didn't think about it. :crazy:
Me, too, since anything bigger than 1 5/8" is useless to me. Since I've got you out of bed, and that was a couple months ago, did you get the headers??? How do they look??? And I'n curious (since I have Borla SS mufflers), what type of stainless are they??? 304, 314, 326, what???
(I posted a note to the Mods in Help Forum; maybe they can reset the Forum settings for pinned topics).
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St. Jude Donor '04-'05-'06-'07
Re: WHO makes 1 5/8 headers?? (Rich B.)
They are 304 and they are beautiful. The picture on their (Stainless Works)website does not do them justice at all! Anything bigger than 1 5/8" is useless to anyone not making 500 HP and running at WOT all the time. But you can't convince many on this forum of that. These will give much better low and mid-range torque than the bigger tubes. Check out headerdesign.com and play with their header size calculator.
They are 304 and they are beautiful. The picture on their (Stainless Works)website does not do them justice at all! Anything bigger than 1 5/8" is useless to anyone not making 500 HP and running at WOT all the time. But you can't convince many on this forum of that. These will give much better low and mid-range torque than the bigger tubes. Check out headerdesign.com and play with their header size calculator.
You won't convince me because I picked up 23 horsepowe and 32 pounds of torque by going with 1 3/4 headers over the stock manifolds. Nowhere in the power band did I give up any torque. Sure I might have gained a little more low end with 1 5/8 headers, but now I've got more room for future power mods without having to worry about the exhaust. 1 3/4 is also readily available :cheers:
You won't convince me because I picked up 23 horsepowe and 32 pounds of torque...
I have no argument with that. Just out of curiosity, though, do you know where the torque peaks now??? I'm guessing it is higher up the curve, but do you know what RPM???
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St. Jude Donor '04-'05-'06-'07
Re: WHO makes 1 5/8 headers?? (Nathan Plemons)
They are 304 and they are beautiful. The picture on their (Stainless Works)website does not do them justice at all! Anything bigger than 1 5/8" is useless to anyone not making 500 HP and running at WOT all the time. But you can't convince many on this forum of that. These will give much better low and mid-range torque than the bigger tubes. Check out headerdesign.com and play with their header size calculator.
You won't convince me because I picked up 23 horsepowe and 32 pounds of torque by going with 1 3/4 headers over the stock manifolds. Nowhere in the power band did I give up any torque. Sure I might have gained a little more low end with 1 5/8 headers, but now I've got more room for future power mods without having to worry about the exhaust. 1 3/4 is also readily available :cheers:
I never meant or would I ever argue that 1 3/4" would hurt you compared to stock manifolds or even shorties. Obviously they would be a big improvement over either of those. But for the way most of us use our cars and our levels of modification the 1 5/8" are the ideal for all around driveability, throttle response, etc. It's all in what you're going for really. But I've seen dyno comparisons, etc. on different types and sizes of engines that will support the fact that too large of a header is a very common mistake in many applications. Now quit arguing with us old farts or we might have to rethink that honorary degree! :lol: :lol: :lol:
You won't convince me because I picked up 23 horsepowe and 32 pounds of torque...
I have no argument with that. Just out of curiosity, though, do you know where the torque peaks now??? I'm guessing it is higher up the curve, but do you know what RPM???
Well that's an interesting question. You see prior to installing the headers the LT1 didn't have a torque peak, it's power band looks like Kansas. Installing the headers did create a peak, and you are right it's up there, around 3500-4000 RPM's, which may be too high for a typical TPI. The suprising thing is that it didn't give up anything below that peak.
BTW the headers were the best seat of the pants improvement I've done. That torque spike in the middle is a lot of fun. Being able to smoke the tires from a roll at ANY speed in 1st or 2nd is good. If the conditions are just right I can break it loose in 3rd.
It's always fun to part throttle it and stay beside somebody, look over & wave then nail the gas. The massive wheelspin from a roll suprises most people.
and you are right it's up there, around 3500-4000 RPM's, which may be too high for a typical TPI.
The original question pertained to an L98. Headers or any other device installed on an L98 that promote peak torque at 3500-4000 rpms, raises the HP peak to an unattainable level. It takes a pretty potent 350 cid engine that truly benefits from 1 3/4" headers. ALL the components need to be tailored for the same rpm range, to be effective. And then, to be worthwhile, it has to be operated in the rpm range it benefits to be useful.
The surprising thing is that it didn't give up anything below that peak.
You might not have lost low end power (torque) from what you previously had, but DID lose power over what you would have had with smaller headers. Your loss was unrealized, because you never felt the benefits of properly sized headers. In any case, it is good that you are happy. Ignorance IS bliss.
You see prior to installing the headers the LT1 didn't have a torque peak, it's power band looks like Kansas...
Now that is an impressive torque curve...The original run, I mean...I *wish* my L98 looked like that...
A stock, new '86 L98 put out ~250 #/ft @ 1000rpm, rising to ~330 @ 3300 rpm, then falling rapidly to ~230 #/ft @ 4800 rpm**...Nothing like that LT1 curve... :(
I would like to see what a set of 1 5/8" headers would do to bring the max torque in earlier...
**(Numbers from my '86 owners manual) I don't believe the over-optimistic book L98 numbers compare with your actual LT1 numbers; but the curve itself is informative. Getting all your torque in at 2100 rpm is outstanding... :thumbs:
...prior to installing the headers the LT1 didn't have a torque peak, it's power band looks like Kansas. Installing the headers did create a peak...
Nathan -
That first [stock?] torque curve looks positively unnatural...The stock LT1 must be strangling from that restrictive exhaust...Your last torque curve looks normal, for an engine that's breathing [and revving] freely...
But the power comes in too far up the band for my taste...I like my torque down low, where I can use it, and not have to constantly shift to stay on the powerband...But I don't have an LT1 either... :(