What headers for early c-4
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Burning Brakes
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What headers for early c-4
I need headers and was wondering about a size. I was going to order 15/8 but the only one's are hedmans. And I've heard bad things about them. I dont wan't to spend more than $400 and I wan't them coated.
Hookers are in that price range and there coated. But there 13/4.
My car is an 85' with ported D-113 heads, Lingenfelter roller:LPE119 cam, 1.6 roller rockers, Accell intake,slp runners, ported plenum and the "free" mods. Don't know the ***** power but its probelly more than 360.
Would the 13/4" hookers be fine. I also have true duell exhaust :cheers:
[Modified by redfast, 1:02 AM 5/19/2004]
Hookers are in that price range and there coated. But there 13/4.
My car is an 85' with ported D-113 heads, Lingenfelter roller:LPE119 cam, 1.6 roller rockers, Accell intake,slp runners, ported plenum and the "free" mods. Don't know the ***** power but its probelly more than 360.
Would the 13/4" hookers be fine. I also have true duell exhaust :cheers:
[Modified by redfast, 1:02 AM 5/19/2004]
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Re: What headers for early c-4 (redfast)
Would the 13/4" hookers be fine. I also have true duell exhaust :cheers:
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Re: What headers for early c-4 (redfast)
The hooker headers are quality pieces, they are really nice. Yes they are 1 3/4 but it won't HURT you any. People have very recently made it out to sound like 1 3/4 headers will absolutely kill your performance which is simply not true. The fact is that the 1 3/4 headers will give you a torque gain across the board. It might not be as much of a low end gain as with 1 5/8 but it will still be there. They will also give you plenty of headroom to grown in the future.
If the Hooker headers are in your price range then go for them, trust me you'll be happy. When I installed these headers on my car I already had a cam, with stock heads. I picked up 32 pounds of torque at the peak and lost none on the low end.
If the Hooker headers are in your price range then go for them, trust me you'll be happy. When I installed these headers on my car I already had a cam, with stock heads. I picked up 32 pounds of torque at the peak and lost none on the low end.
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Re: What headers for early c-4 (Nathan Plemons)
Yes they are 1 3/4 but it won't HURT you any. People have very recently made it out to sound like 1 3/4 headers will absolutely kill your performance which is simply not true.
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Re: What headers for early c-4 (CFI-EFI)
as soon as i ordered my hooker super comps, i began to worry to death that i might have made a mistake. but i also committed to modifying the engine, in the near term. without any engine mods, i still got a REAL kick in my azz FROM A DEAD STOP all the way thru thr RPM band. i love it! i'm not trying to be antagonistic here, but as much as i worry about every nut & bolt, I've since been EXTREMELY PLEASED with the wonderful performance gain.
that being said, if one has plans on a fair array of engine mods in the future -particularly for the L98'ers - then i see nothing wrong with 1 3/4 headers.
BUT, if exhaust is pretty much it, get the 1 5/8.
my .02, admittedly from a novice :cheers:
that being said, if one has plans on a fair array of engine mods in the future -particularly for the L98'ers - then i see nothing wrong with 1 3/4 headers.
BUT, if exhaust is pretty much it, get the 1 5/8.
my .02, admittedly from a novice :cheers:
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Re: What headers for early c-4 (bradvette)
I've since been EXTREMELY PLEASED with the wonderful performance gain.
Regarding all the advice to the contrary, what would you recommend, if YOU'D made the mistake?
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Re: What headers for early c-4 (CFI-EFI)
It just seems to me that most people go with the 1 3/4 because Hookers and TPIS only sell the 1 3/4 and the company's who sell the 1 5/8 headers aren't very reputable and the headers aren't as good quality and tend to cause complications during the installation.
Just my 2c...
CFI-EFI, I have a 383, with stock TPI, shaved heads, free mods,... do you think the 1 3/4 would be ok? or should I really try to get the 1 5/8 ?
Just my 2c...
CFI-EFI, I have a 383, with stock TPI, shaved heads, free mods,... do you think the 1 3/4 would be ok? or should I really try to get the 1 5/8 ?
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Re: What headers for early c-4 (TheStef)
CFI-EFI, I have a 383, with stock TPI, shaved heads, free mods,... do you think the 1 3/4 would be ok? or should I really try to get the 1 5/8 ?
Here's the problem. A guy buys a set of headers and he likes them. He spent his money, and he's convinced he made the right choice. He's happy and that is great. That goes for guy's that bought either size. They both provide an improvement. Ninty five percent of the people that ASK, would be better off with 1 5/8ths" headers. And maybe only 85% of those that don't ask.
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Re: What headers for early c-4 (CFI-EFI)
If I were to put on some long tube headers, would I still be able to pass my smog inspection (no visual, just the breather)? I would have someone put them on for me? Not planning to do it for a while, just like to know what i'm saving my money for...
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Re: What headers for early c-4 (Getzen88)
Yes you will still pass emissions, but I would go with headers with the EGR and air pump connections just to make 100% certain.
Some guys say you can still pass the emission with headers with no EGR and no air pump connections, but if your worried about emission, just get headers with the EGR and air pump connections.
That:s what I'll do
:cheers:
Some guys say you can still pass the emission with headers with no EGR and no air pump connections, but if your worried about emission, just get headers with the EGR and air pump connections.
That:s what I'll do
:cheers:
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Re: What headers for early c-4 (TheStef)
You can get Hedman Elite's (thicker flanges) from Jet Hot that have been coated. The cost is about $600. This is the version that have the airtubes for smog. They also have them uncoated for less.
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Re: What headers for early c-4 (redfast)
The Hedman Elite Headers are thicker tube and flange PLUS I thought HTC coated from Hedman. Aside from that clarification are the "coated" headers REALLY worth the extra money and what do you gain?
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Re: What headers for early c-4 (redfast)
Does anyone here have any experience with Exotic Muscle headers? I would really like to get a set of 1 5/8" long tubes. They still list them on their web site. There was a Group Purchase here on the Forum about 5 or 6 months ago for EM long tubes. Is everybody who participated happy with them? Any regrets?? They look like a quality product. I'd really like to hear from some EM owners. Thanks
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Re: What headers for early c-4 (SS409 425HP)
What happens to the oxygen sensor? On my 84 it is mounted in the Y pipe real close to the stock manifold. I'm sure the Hedman 68440's or others require modifications in that area.
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Re: What headers for early c-4 (redfast)
Every engine combo I've ever run through Desk Top Dyno shows bigger gains with the bigger primary size.
As far as Jesse just now going to bigger primaries, that statement doesn't exactly put a period on the end of the discussion. Who's to say he shouldn't have done it a long time ago?
As far as Jesse just now going to bigger primaries, that statement doesn't exactly put a period on the end of the discussion. Who's to say he shouldn't have done it a long time ago?