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Old Sep 26, 2004 | 11:11 PM
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I have a 1990 L98 with 90K miles. As like everyone, I want more HP. Considering the ZZ4 option, can anyone give me any pros and cons of ZZ4 from experience? Is it possible to get more bang for the buck spending the same money on my existing L98 which has no mechanical problems? Thanks in advance.

P.S. I'm new to the forum and did my best to search for this answer before posting, but if there is a good discussion of this somewhere else, just let me know.
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Old Sep 26, 2004 | 11:15 PM
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Here, Here! I am curious as to fittman of the intake and accesories.
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Old Sep 27, 2004 | 12:29 AM
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Performance will not be significantly more than the L98 as the ZZ4 itself is based on the L98. If you get the package with the vortec heads, you will need to get the scoggin dickey intake base to fit your TPI to the vortec heads. If you got the bottom end and had some head work done on your current D-Ports, you could use your current TPI components and accessories without much of any modification.

I don't have specific power numbers, but the base ZZ4 motor won't produce significantly more than the L98.

You can add a LT4 hot cam kit, do a little head+intake work and you'd then realize some sizeable gains.

What is your budget and how much power do you want?

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Old Sep 27, 2004 | 01:07 AM
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Old Sep 27, 2004 | 01:18 AM
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I have a 90 L98 and it was replaced with a ZZ4 and installed by Corvette Mike's two years ago. I had it dyno'd by a muscle car shop a month after the install and it only had 202 hp. The tuner said to start with headers and then the intake. Something about the engine being too good for the stock exhaust manifold and runners. I havent got around to having them done yet. The vette does run very good, just not as much SOTP acceleration as the past...but then again, I really don't drive that way anymore.
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Old Sep 27, 2004 | 01:42 AM
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If I still had the tpi motor,I think I would get the 383 short block,and build from there.It has a forged crank,and I think,would be a good way to go
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Old Sep 27, 2004 | 08:34 AM
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I can spend around 5k on my ride this year, not trying to build a 1/4 mile monster, but would like to be able to take down your average Mustang or 300 ZX when the opportunity arises. I have 3.73 gears now and can't even smoke the tires. I've already done a Magnaflow cat back, K&N with high flow lid and adjustable fuel pressure regulator, but I'm frankly just getting started. I was told the ZZ4 produced 385 HP "out of the box" compared to the 273 HP the L98 produced by a local corvette shop.
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Old Sep 27, 2004 | 09:21 AM
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There must be something wrong, I would think you could easily smoke the tires with your set up now.
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Old Sep 27, 2004 | 10:37 AM
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There must be something wrong, I would think you could easily smoke the tires with your set up now.
I thought the same thing, but I brought it to Doug Rippie Motorsports for the dyno to see if there was anything wrong (this was before the catback and high flow lid) the only thing wrong was that it was running "filthy rich". Even so, it was 200 HP at the rear wheels which is about par. He sort of made a yack face and said there was nothing wrong except the L98 didn't produce much horsepower back then, hence the search for a different motor option. He recommended a 383 stroker, but I've heard so many horror stories about the reliability of strokers if they're not built right.
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Old Sep 27, 2004 | 10:45 AM
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I have an 84 which is basically stock and has 125K. I could not smoke my tires either and it was running rich. Since then I have replaced some sensors and done some tuning. Also, eliminated my defective cat in the process. Anyway, now my 84 with 3.07 gears will smoke the tires and kick out to the right from a dead stop. A performance upgrade will be nice, and I am planning the same. I have decided on a 383 or 396 stroker in the future. My only point is that your car should be running better than it is.
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Old Sep 27, 2004 | 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Aidoneus
.... I was told the ZZ4 produced 385 HP "out of the box" compared to the 273 HP the L98 produced by a local corvette shop.
385 HP are CHP with a carbed setup and open headers.
Never noticed these figures (273 HP)
A 90 should have 245 CHP.
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Old Sep 27, 2004 | 11:39 AM
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I agree with those above who say you should be running better. You'll need to address this to establish a base to build on. A good, local engine builder should be able to put you together a 383 cheaper than the factory units.

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Originally Posted by Aidoneus
I can spend around 5k on my ride this year
With a 5K budget, you should be able to build a mild 383. You'll have to be creative and perhaps purchase some components used, but you'll end up with something pretty nice for the street at that price. How much of the work can you do yourself? You can save a lot of money in labor if your R&R the motor yourself. If not, you may go over your 5K number. A popular combo on the forum is the 383, SuperRam, Accel 219 cam combo using either ported L-98 D-Port heads or AFR heads. You should be able to score a good deal on a used SuperRam and possibly the heads.

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