Anyone want to join?
We must have some Lawyers on this forum that could help out.

I just got off the phone with Dave who is suppose to be the tech supervisor.

They would not let me talk to anyone higher.

I told him I was tired of their company claims that there kit is all you need etc, etc.

I told him I have been sent three different FMU's and the last one had "Super LT1 FMU" on the packing slip.

Not only did the car fall on it's face, AGAIN, but after 5 min. my A/F auto meter gauge totally stopped working and my "Service Engine Light"
came on in another 5 mi.

Coincidence? I think not!

I told him what everyone on the forum recommended and he said people on the forum don't know what their talking about.

I'm refering to getting rid of the FMU. Getting a 255 Walbro. Getting bigger injectors. Getting it tuned.

Of course I heard the same old garbage that "Our Kits don't need that"

I asked for a refund on the FMU. His answer was No!
I asked that they help pay for the injectors, pump and tune.
His answer was no!
I asked that they then at least send a Field Rep out to trouble shoot the problem. His answer was No!
I asked if he would mind doing a three way call with the Steve who runs the Dyno at Shreve Automotive?
His answer was No! He said he didn't need to talk to anyone because he knew what he was talking about.
I then asked for my money back for the whole kit and again his answer was No!
Then the smart *** asked if there was anything else he could help me with and if not, this conversation was over with.

I said, You haven't helped me with anything so far!

So how about it? Anyone one for a class action suit?

I know I'm not the only one thats had problems with ATI Pro Charger.
Herb

 

I feel your pain Herb........I plan on making a call to Dave myself later today.....So many people and shops can't be wrong....We can prove that their product doesn't meet up to their advertised specs....can they prove it does? I seriously doubt it.......Also, something humerous i found on their website.....They used to Advertise for the LT1 Corvettes 55%-60% gains....now they advertise 60-65....THEY'VE UPPED IT..meanwhile i can't even get 35% gains.....WTF are these people doing.....I filled out a Consumer Complaint form to the Attny General which i will copy in Dave @ ATI in my fax if i do not get some customer satisfaction...I suggest you do the same and anyone else who was duped by ATI's claims

 

Maybe John Kerry owns the company.

 

hhaaa hhhaaa to funny, you know i kind of felt your pain when i got my blower but i found out it is a bolt up kit (atleast in my case)

I am running a FMU, and i did run 22# injectors back in the day on my STOCK engine

but as time went on i had to upgrade injectors still have stock fuel pump and ATI fuel boost and fmu and i made 550RWHP on my 383?

I dont know if my kit was complete or what but i dont have no problems just took a little tuning and thats that?

What problems are you having again?

 

Exactly what is this thread crying about? Specficially what claims are you making against ATI?

From what I read, you want to sue them because they won't pay for injectors?

Is it the horsepower claim? You don't like FMUs? Exactly what do you think ATI did that was wrong (and not holding your hand enough is not -wrong-).

- Dave

 

I believe that if each of the individuals who complain about ATI had taken their cars to shops that actually had done a few ATI installs on vettes, there would be a lot less complaints.

And... I do beleive that I had offered the individual from LA an install for $1200 on his car with the detail that it would go to the dyno and have graphs to back up the performance increase. I had also said that if they took it to a local shop, they would be complaining that it did not deliver shortly thereafter.

Get with someone who understands (and has installed plenty) of ATI units on vettes and have them fix the problems.

I will say that my first blower car did deliver very close to ATIs claims with the ATI provided IC, booster pump, and FMU. This was back with my first P-600B. I have past experience with Vortech, Eaton, Paxton, and ATI, and I continue to steer newcomers to ATI. It is not for their stellar customer service, there ease of installation, or their tech help, but moreover, they make a high quality head unit that delivers the airflow.

BTW, my latest ATI head unit supplies only 8 psi boost at 4000 RPM. It's not about the boost, it's about airflow (and subsequent HP/TQ).

Best of Luck,
Aaron

 

again! i agreen with aaron and dave! if people would go to a shop that knows there stuff there would be many happy customers! but all in all go through the car and make sure everything is hooked up and trust me there is plenty of people on this forum that know what they are doing!

also like aaron said it is about air flow not boostage!

 

I can understand your pain. This is nothing new, we all fall victims of misleading marketing by companies all the time. It would be very difficult to sue a company when there are so many factor invloved. First off, C4s are so old that the low Hp levels could be blamed on old tired motors. Second, the low Hp numbers could also be blamed on the installer. Third, dynos could also vary depending on a million different conditions.

I don't think the numbers you guys are making is bad. I would take it to the track and see what kind of times and mph you can pull, then make a rational decision.

 

Welp, if a motor makes a average base run of 270 at the wheels and can only get an average 360 at the wheels after the procharger...you do the math..there is something wrong there..Even People at More Performance say you won't get near 400rwhp on a STOCK LT1... If i average 270 Horsepower out of my car regardless of the miles of the motor.at 55%.i should make 400+ RWHP....And when the company rejects to even having their OWN techs looks at the car..or even talk with the tech that is doing your car...thats kinda fishy if you ask me...

And I wish you people would stop comparing your 383's and 396 ATI blown cars to those who are basing what[I] ATI claims on STOCK LT1 CORVETTES WITH 0 ENGINE MODS[/I]

 

I have done multiple installs on "stock" cars and have been able to document close to ATI's claims on most.

I will give you an example on a stock '02 WS6 that was just done. There was no way that it made ATI's claims due to no time for tuning. It ran good down low, but had no tuning from LS1Edit. The owner was in a big hurry to get the car back after the weekend and has not returned in ~6 wks. If shortcuts are taken, the results will not be as advertised.

As for my first install on my own vette, I may 255 RWHP before and made 360 RWHP after the 12 psi P-600B install. I later walked this number up to just over 560 RWHP on that same 350ci motor with heads, cam, TB, more boost.

Get together with someone who is experienced in ATI installs (or for that matter just blowers in general) on Corvettes.

Best of luck,
Aaron

 

I have also see in person a 7psi IC boost made 405rwhp on a totally stock LT1, with header, catback., Of course, custom prom,a and dyno tuned, 42s injector, no FMU


Bruce

 

I read your posts on here a couple months back, where everybody on this forum told you that you would not get the performance you expected out of that kit, and you told them that they were all wrong because your installer told you it would work fine.

Now you want to sue ATI because you refused to listen.

 

Steve,
Scott didn't ask to sue ATI, I did.

Aaron,
I'm from La. and I never spoke with you about an install for $1200.00 that I can recall.

Let me say this. Where were all you people when I was complaining about my problems?
All I ever heard was get a Walbro 255 pump, 42# injectors and toss that FMU! That's the kind of comments I received.

I never heard you people claim your HP numbers and back up ATI until now.

I just looked again through the manual and it doesn't mention anything about an experienced shop install.

It doesn't mention anything about a Dyno.

All it says is adjust the FMU if it hesitates or puts out black smoke.

It also says you should purchase and install properly a fuel pressure gauge and/or fuel/air ratio gauge.

It also says to call if you have problems which I did and there only answer was: We'll send you another FMU.

They will not let you talk to the owner and I don't like smart *** answers from Dave the tech supervisor.

I was also told to take my problems to the place I purchased the blower not them because their just the manufacture. Huh!!

If as you say you need a pro shop and Dyno then they should tell you that and put it in their manual.

You and I both know how important the air fuel ratio is and the gauge I have sucks! (Auto meter with lights which is very distracting and inaccurate when compared to the wide band)
So to say you need either or a fuel pressure gauge or A/F ratio gauge is irresponsible as far as I'm concerned.

They also recommend a boost gauge!

The first thing they ask when you call them is what's the boost and fuel pressure?

Well, if that's so important, and I agree it is, then put it in the kit or put it in the manual! Don't say and or and we recommend.

They also asked did you take your car to the place you purchased the kit from? I said no, because it's about 5 to 6 hours away.

When I got off the phone with ATI I called where I purchased the kit and asked if they had a Dyno. They said no they do not.

In closing all I can say is when a customer pays the money these kits cost there should not be a smart *** answer when you ask for help.

I feel a company this size should have a field rep. available for problems such as mine. Hell, I could have paid his round trip airfare with what I've spent already trying to get this so called kit to perform like it should.
Later
Herb

 

Uhmm i'm not sure what posts you were reading..but i never told anyone they are wrong about anything...as a matter of fact, i said i wish i had listened but then again it was too late....and i never said anything about I'm suing ATI..i said i filed a Consumer Complaint against ATI which is right to do if i feel a company is misleading....And its funny how you said this next line

"everybody on this forum told you that you would not get the performance you expected out of that kit"


Bingo, if this cannot be achieved, then don't advertise it....See my point?

 

Hmm.. NOS vs. ATI Procharger. NOS is starting to sound a little better. Have time to decide anyway.

 

NOS is a waste if you never go to the track....

 

I would recommend nitrous over stroker and supercharger. Just because you can use it only when you want to. The car can sound totally stock with stock driveability but when you flip that switch people won't know what hit them. I love the look on people's faces after you smoke them with nitrous.

 

Anybody who has done research on superchargers should know that you will require tuning. If you think they just bolt on and will give you 450 HP, you are dreaming. You can sue, but you won;t get a dime.

 

LOL

 

on my stock 1991 vette i made 260rwhp and after a dyno on 4psi of boost i made 329rwhp and that is untuned and low boost (belt slippage) and all in all i know with the right boost i would of made those numbers ATI said i bet with a stock tune!