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Old Oct 14, 2004 | 10:56 AM
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Hi all, I have a C4 not sure of all the mods that may have been done. Anyway, I have been hearing the ABS noise especially after just starting the car. Brakes are working fine, although I know that new rear rotors are diffentely needed. They are bad but I checked the exisiting pads and they look new. I will probably be replacing rotors and pads this winter.

Can anyone tell me if I should be worried about the ABS noise? This is the same noise you hear when braking on wet/icey pavement. Last only for a second, but come and goes.

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Old Oct 14, 2004 | 02:25 PM
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If it is only happening when you first start the car and doesnt come back during the drive, you're fine. The pump cycles as a part of the system's self check when you first start up the car.
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Old Oct 14, 2004 | 02:37 PM
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ABS self tests on startup when car reaches a certain speed, only 2 - 5 mph I think. Mine does it as I reverse out of the garage.

If it happens at other times then I'm not sure what that could be - if it is the ABS then could be a loose connection making it think you have just started up, or a faulty sensor applying the ABS too early...etc

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Old Oct 14, 2004 | 03:29 PM
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Thanks, you described what mine does very closely...

I stopped by Tom Gill Chevorlet today as well and they said the same thing.
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Old Oct 14, 2004 | 04:12 PM
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The ABS system in these cars is provided by Bosch. It's a very durable system, and from all that I have seen, the only thing that kills them is water intruding into the storage area.
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Old Oct 14, 2004 | 04:15 PM
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Thanks for the info after looking at the cost of the ABS parts it is a relief to know that all is working as it should be.
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Old Oct 14, 2004 | 04:46 PM
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ABS is overrated, my ABS hasn't kicked in unless I purposely locked them up in the rain or sand just to see if the "ABS Active" light would come on, well it does come on when I'm out in the snow.

But in the old days we had to rely on ourselves, so if the ABS stopped working, you'd be alright as long as the brakes are working.
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Old Oct 14, 2004 | 04:51 PM
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Yeah I am not a real ABS fan either.... On partial snow/ice you may stay straight but your stopping distance is greatly increased (at least that is my experience).
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My ABS comes on quite frequently in normal driving. All I have to do is hit a bump while braking. The harsh suspension causes the wheel to momentarily come off the road. This also adversely affects handling when on rough roads.
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Mine does the same thing, sometimes when I turn a corner, is this normal?
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Usually my ASR active light will snap on my DIC when I take a prononced bump or corner agressively.
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Old Oct 15, 2004 | 08:16 AM
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The ABS runs a test when you first start the car and goes off as soon as you pick up speed. As far as new rotors, this is an easy and cheap fix to do on all four. You'll love the difference.
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Originally Posted by C4.5
I stopped by Tom Gill Chevorlet today as well and they said the same thing.
Heck, you're just down the road from McClusky chevrolet in Cincinnati, they've got a couple of GM certified Corvette mechanics on hand, give them a call if anything ever really breaks...
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Originally Posted by JCD
Heck, you're just down the road from McClusky chevrolet in Cincinnati, they've got a couple of GM certified Corvette mechanics on hand, give them a call if anything ever really breaks...
Thanks, the guys at Tom Gill were very helpful... I think I may the resolution for the Security and driver door problem figured out as well.
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Originally Posted by white90conv
My ABS comes on quite frequently in normal driving. All I have to do is hit a bump while braking. The harsh suspension causes the wheel to momentarily come off the road. This also adversely affects handling when on rough roads.
The issue behind your observation was discussed in a thread last week regarding the handling dynamics of an 04 BMW 330 vs a 93 Vette.

The reality is this, the Vette's suspension, even in its softest configuration, is too stiff for it's own good. It causes the tires to lose contact with the road under rough conditions, which, is a very bad thing.

The transverse leaf springs are the culpret, get rid of those POS's and 99% of the problem goes away.
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Originally Posted by bogus
The issue behind your observation was discussed in a thread last week regarding the handling dynamics of an 04 BMW 330 vs a 93 Vette.

The reality is this, the Vette's suspension, even in its softest configuration, is too stiff for it's own good. It causes the tires to lose contact with the road under rough conditions, which, is a very bad thing.
What a strange comparison it was...

Perhaps it's because I don't have the Z07 handling package, but my '93 is almost too soft for a sports car, it's certainly not jarring like the '87 I've driven.

If we're just looking for cars that are good on rought terrain, try an Evo VIII rally car, they make everyone look slow.

But if ABS is coming on during regular driving, something is broke...
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Mine makes that funny noise just as I am backing out of the driveway...funny at first....
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Old Oct 15, 2004 | 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by JCD
What a strange comparison it was...
Not really, it amplifies the advances that BMW has made in the area of chassis dynamics.

Perhaps it's because I don't have the Z07 handling package, but my '93 is almost too soft for a sports car, it's certainly not jarring like the '87 I've driven.
I reiterate what I have said, many times, firm suspension is only good on a smooth surface. Streets are just too rough.

If we're just looking for cars that are good on rought terrain, try an Evo VIII rally car, they make everyone look slow.
I haven't driven an EVO, but I have driven a WRX... bad ***. That's all I gotta say on that subject!

But if ABS is coming on during regular driving, something is broke...
Not necessarily. If you are driving along, hit the brakes normally, then the car hits a bump, the computer will read that (as the tire is off the pavement) as a speed difference and activate the ABS. Simple, really. If the damned tires would stay in contact with the road, it would not happen. It's the same exact thing that occurs with the ASR on the later C4's.

As a side note, BMW M3s will not allow the engine past 6000rpm unless all 4 wheels are going nearly, or exactly, the same speed! Makes dyno testing a real bitch.
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