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Old Oct 26, 2004 | 08:07 PM
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I'm not sure if the cats out of the bag yet - but in case not:
Coming the beginning of next year will be a mod that essentially changes the fireing order of the ZZ4. Dyno tests on the system show an increase from 350 HP to 438 HP. Then you start adding your trick parts and you've got a fire breather!

Just a heads up if your looking for big HP increases for reasonable money!!
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Old Oct 26, 2004 | 08:11 PM
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I don't have a zz4 I have an LT1 how will this help me?
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Old Oct 26, 2004 | 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Johansson
I'm not sure if the cats out of the bag yet - but in case not:
Coming the beginning of next year will be a mod that essentially changes the fireing order of the ZZ4. Dyno tests on the system show an increase from 350 HP to 438 HP. Then you start adding your trick parts and you've got a fire breather!

Just a heads up if your looking for big HP increases for reasonable money!!
This should be good
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Old Oct 26, 2004 | 08:18 PM
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Old Oct 26, 2004 | 08:28 PM
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I heard the change in fireing order alone is only good for 12-15hp in a 350 and 20-25 in a stroker...I'm sure they changed other things as well.
\ie:duration/lift etc...
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Old Oct 26, 2004 | 08:30 PM
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can't wait to here this one how would changing the firing order increase hp?
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Old Oct 26, 2004 | 08:31 PM
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I beleive you are referring to the cams that fire the cylinders outside of the 18436572. The exact term I can;t recall. Theyve been around for many years. They seem to make sense, but I never researched them that much. Plenty of hardcore racers here are probably in the know. Anyone?
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Old Oct 26, 2004 | 08:41 PM
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I did the research..15HP max for a 350 with no other changes in duration or lift...
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Old Oct 26, 2004 | 08:41 PM
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If the firing order change can bring 15chp, the cam 35chp and heads 30chp, that would add up to a nice 80chp gain.

So, would it take only a cam & ignition timing change or would some work down below be needed??
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Originally Posted by Carl Johansson
I'm not sure if the cats out of the bag yet - but in case not:

Dyno tests on the system show an increase from 350 HP to 438 HP.
Are you interested in purchasing a bridge??? Have *I* got a deal for YOU!

RACE ON!!!
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Old Oct 26, 2004 | 08:47 PM
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When we mention changing the firing order that is done with a cam change not just by swapping plugwires around..
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Old Oct 26, 2004 | 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by chriswtx
When we mention changing the firing order that is done with a cam change not just by swapping plugwires around..
I hope you're not talking to me. I'm familiar with the 4-7 firing order swap cam. It SOMETIMES gives as much a 5-15 hp. Sometimes, NOT! If someone expects or claims an improvement from 350 to 438 hp with THAT swap, they need to see me about my bridge.

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Old Oct 26, 2004 | 09:01 PM
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Tell ya what - If I'm wrong - I will pay you $1000.00

But if I'm right - you pay for me to purchase the setup - hows that!
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Well if the cam timing changes so that the firing order changes then it would also take wires and crank change too, right.

In such case, why did the General chose the current SBC firing order over the other possibilities...could it have been a compromise between performance and reliability??
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Wasnt talking to you CFI, but it is good for 5-15hp depending on your heads and compression etcs...

No need to change the crank.
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Old Oct 26, 2004 | 09:06 PM
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GM did finally change the firing order with the LS1 and new Vortec motors...
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waits.,.
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Old Oct 26, 2004 | 09:51 PM
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Haven't cams that swap firing order on Chevy small blocks been out for years? I know Comp Cams has had then for at least a while.

I'd think that if swapping firing order was such a huge gain in HP, racers would have moved to it en masse 30-40 years ago

Ben
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Old Oct 27, 2004 | 12:06 AM
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Changing the firing order for performance has been around since the 60's cd roper(the madd professor)SP? started it and then bill"grumpy"jenkins caught on to it also
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